Will Golovkin break Bernard Hopkins middleweight title defense record?

[SeekDaGreat]

He might, thanks to the fringe competition in his division. But that's not his fault.

[IronDanHamza]

"If he continues fighting at this level" sounds like theres another level he could be fighting at, higher I guess. I suppose its possible someone could break through in the next 2 years, but not much in sight

Doesn't sound like anything. There is no double meaning to what I said.

With the opposition level he's at, he could very easily do it. No more, no less.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't really see it being that much different to Hopkins in all honesty. Aside from the few big names.

Yeah it's not that much different in fairness no.

I would say Hopkins beat better fighters.

[Eastcoast]

Not even comparable. B-Hop might not have been fighting big names, but he was fighting some killers in there.

Who are you talking about?

Before Holmes, every Hopkins opponent was either an unproven fighter with decent record (Johnson, Allen, Vanderpool, Echols) or a washed up JMW (Jackson, Simon, Council - Andrew wasn't really washed up, but he had 0 credible wins at 160) or a straight up journeyman (James, Lipsey, Frank, Mercado).

There's no killers in that group. Johnson, Allen, Vanderpool, Echols were Nard's toughest defenses and they would fill in as your typical top 10 MW we see today. Glenn Johnson had a Deontay Wilder type of resume going into the Hopkins fight and went on a 10 year .500 record after that fight.

#12-Antwun Echols
#11-Syd Vanderpool
#10-Antwun Echols
#9-Robert Allen
#8-Robert Allen - no contest due to injury, but Nard counts it towards his 20
#7-Simon Brown
#6-Andrew Council
#5-Glen Johnson
#4-John David Jackson
#3-William Bo James
#2-Joe Lipsey
#1-Steve Frank
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[CatchAndShoot]

Who are you talking about?

Before Holmes, every Hopkins opponent was either an unproven fighter with decent record (Johnson, Allen, Vanderpool, Echols) or a washed up JMW (Jackson, Simon, Council - Andrew wasn't really washed up, but he had 0 credible wins at 160) or a straight up journeyman (James, Lipsey, Frank, Mercado).

There's no killers in that group. Johnson, Allen, Vanderpool, Echols were Nard's toughest defenses and they would fill in as your typical top 10 MW we see today. Glenn Johnson had a Deontay Wilder type of resume going into the Hopkins fight and went on a 10 year .500 record after that fight.

#12-Antwun Echols
#11-Syd Vanderpool
#10-Antwun Echols
#9-Robert Allen
#8-Robert Allen - no contest due to injury, but Nard counts it towards his 20
#7-Simon Brown
#6-Andrew Council
#5-Glen Johnson
#4-John David Jackson
#3-William Bo James
#2-Joe Lipsey
#1-Steve Frank
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You've got to be ****ting me. They wouldn't be your typical top 10 fighters. They'd dust bums like Macklin and Stevens. TFOH with that.

One question. Have you seen Daniel Geale fight?

[CatchAndShoot]

Have you guys seen Peter Quillen fight? The guys a ****in bum!

[LacedUp]

Yeah it's not that much different in fairness no.

I would say Hopkins beat better fighters.

Of course. So far. Easily.

Add Canelo, Cotto and a few other good fighters and I think they would be on a similar kind of level.

[Eastcoast]

You've got to be ****ting me. They wouldn't be your typical top 10 fighters. They'd dust bums like Macklin and Stevens. TFOH with that.

One question. Have you seen Daniel Geale fight?

What fights did Allen, Vanderpool, or Echols demonstrate they'd beat Daniel Geale? They were decent fighters, but they weren't killers. I'd pick Geale over everyone of those four by decision, though they'd be live dogs. They're right there on the level of a Macklin, Stevens, Quillin.

[lefthook2daliva]

Well I'm thinking Canelo beats Cotto for his belts. Then fights GGG at some point.

I don't think that's anywhere near a foregone conclusion, but yeah, after Canelo and Cotto sort it out Gennady needs to get a shot at those belts.

He's 32. Hopkins was 36 when he finally fought Trinidad.

Well that's not much of an obstacle then.

[Eastcoast]

Well that's not much of an obstacle then.

The obstacles to Golovkin breaking Hopkin's record will be:

1) If he permanently moves up to 168 or if takes a number of one off fights at a higher weight (something Nard never did)

2) If he retires at 38 like he's mentioned in the past.