Reliving....Trinidad vs Vargas!!

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  • LouIE G
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    #61
    Originally posted by IMDAZED
    ****m Richardson: To me, Trindad's situation was much, much different than Margarito's. What Trindad did was actually legal in some places. It just wasn't legal in New York. I had the rulebook with me right there in my hand.

    Trinidad was an abrasion against the rules. Margarito downright had a weapon. There is a difference when you say you're playing chess and have your men lined up differently, as opposed to having extra men on the board. Margarito tried to bring extra men. He had a knuckle pad. Margarito had a strip over the back of his hand, around his thumb and wrist. They told me it was because of a previous injury was why they wrapped it that way. One look and you could tell it wasn't right.

    No, not in any way close to margarito.. he had tape w****d on the hand and over the knuckles(not pre-wrapping tape either) then followed by gauze and more tape, and thats what made that wrap illegal.. it made his wrap more compact...imo

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      #62
      Originally posted by drenlou
      So deliberate low blows are fair to you??? This aint a street fight dude, and the wrap situation is brought up because of the hopkins fight... you cant help but think the same thing could have happened here. Dont get butt hurt dude, relax and take a deep breath.
      Listen, I'm not saying low blows doesn't have an effect on a fight nor the outcome of it but damn you are making it sound Vargas was KO'ED via low blows and the fight couldn't continue thus excuse making on your part.

      About the wraps, this topic has been beaten more than Pee Wee Herman spanking his salami. Read the post from a previous poster that explains it from the man himself that exposed the discrepancy initially (****m Richardson ) thus making your next point as baseless as your first.

      Nowhere do you mention from your initial post in making this thread that :

      A. Fernando was green when taking this fight. For crying out loud Tito had more knockouts than Vargas had professional fights.

      B. Vargas opted to **** with a puncher and stand in front of Tito instead of boxing him effectively thus a recipe for disaster. In fact, Fernando banked solely on the notion that because Tito was coming up in weight to fight him that he (Trinidad ) was the smaller man therefore he can muscle Tito. Another big miscalculation on Fernando's part.

      C. Vargas didn't know how to hold when in trouble. Granted, one can attribute this to heart while others to ******ity in any case he paid a price and was never the same since.

      Unfortunately, this is the mentality of today's fighters and fans alike. Down play another's victory by discrediting the victor.

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        #63
        Originally posted by jri9d0
        Listen, I'm not saying low blows doesn't have an effect on a fight nor the outcome of it but damn you are making it sound Vargas was KO'ED via low blows and the fight couldn't continue thus excuse making on your part.

        About the wraps, this topic has been beaten more than Pee Wee Herman spanking his salami. Read the post from a previous poster that explains it from the man himself that exposed the discrepancy initially (****m Richardson ) thus making your next point as baseless as your first.

        Nowhere do you mention from your initial post in making this thread that :

        A. Fernando was green when taking this fight. For crying out loud Tito had more knockouts than Vargas had professional fights.

        B. Vargas opted to **** with a puncher and stand in front of Tito instead of boxing him effectively thus a recipe for disaster. In fact, Fernando banked solely on the notion that because Tito was coming up in weight to fight him that he (Trinidad ) was the smaller man therefore he can muscle Tito. Another big miscalculation on Fernando's part.

        C. Vargas didn't know how to hold when in trouble. Granted, one can attribute this to heart while others to ******ity in any case he paid a price and was never the same since.

        Unfortunately, this is the mentality of today's fighters and fans alike. Down play another's victory by discrediting the victor.
        Again you cant wrap tape on the skin of the hand, you have to wrap gauze first, this is why its an illegal wrap...

        And vargas wasnt a green fighter, he had beat campas, marquez, winky wright, ike quartey all at a young age.... no green fighter could have done that.

        Vargas fought a very calculated fight standing right in front of tito, he made tito miss a hell of alot of punches in there standing right in front of him.... who else did that?? Now i agree he should have boxed more because clearly he was the better boxer but he was out to prove he was for real, and he was! Though it took alot out of him. Lets face it, the low blows affected him tremendously from there on out.it limited his movement big time.

        He knew how to hold, its just in the instances he was rocked bad he couldnt.. and you keep going on about tito not getting credit and in that sense you are wrong again... tito has gotten full credit from me. In every post i have ever posted about him hes a ATG from puerto rico, but i cant help but bring out his ability to fight dirty when it mattered pertaining to this fight here.... and the "WHAT IF" factor will always be tied to this fight, if you like it or not!

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          #64
          Originally posted by drenlou
          Again you cant wrap tape on the skin of the hand, you have to wrap gauze first, this is why its an illegal wrap...

          And vargas wasnt a green fighter, he had beat campas, marquez, winky wright, ike quartey all at a young age.... no green fighter could have done that.

          Vargas fought a very calculated fight standing right in front of tito, he made tito miss a hell of alot of punches in there standing right in front of him.... who else did that?? Now i agree he should have boxed more because clearly he was the better boxer but he was out to prove he was for real, and he was! Though it took alot out of him. Lets face it, the low blows affected him tremendously from there on out.it limited his movement big time.

          He knew how to hold, its just in the instances he was rocked bad he couldnt.. and you keep going on about tito not getting credit and in that sense you are wrong again... tito has gotten full credit from me. In every post i have ever posted about him hes a ATG from puerto rico, but i cant help but bring out his ability to fight dirty when it mattered pertaining to this fight here.... and the "WHAT IF" factor will always be tied to this fight, if you like it or not!
          It's not a question of if you can or cant. What Tito did is legal in Vegas, for instance. Vargas lost to the better fighter. Period.

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            #65
            Originally posted by IMDAZED
            It's not a question of if you can or cant. What Tito did is legal in Vegas, for instance. Vargas lost to the better fighter. Period.
            You can wrap adhesive surgical tape on the skin, before wraping with gauze and more surgical tape?

            Cmon DAZED, vargas lost but if tito using veteran tactics like deliberate low blows makes him the better fighter fairly to you then hey more power to you!

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              #66
              Originally posted by drenlou
              You can wrap adhesive surgical tape on the skin, before wraping with gauze and more surgical tape?

              Cmon DAZED, vargas lost but if tito using veteran tactics like deliberate low blows makes him the better fighter fairly to you then hey more power to you!
              I'm not sure what the exact method of wrapping was but it's legal in Vegas. You heard ****m say it himself. It really isn't that big a deal. Excuse #1.

              Low blows -- Vargas' best rounds came after the low blows. I think the real issue were the head blows. Not like Nando was clean throughout the fight himself. Excuse #2

              No need for excuses, bro. He lost to the better fighter. Got ruined, sadly.

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                #67
                Originally posted by IMDAZED
                I'm not sure what the exact method of wrapping was but it's legal in Vegas. You heard ****m say it himself. It really isn't that big a deal. Excuse #1.

                Low blows -- Vargas' best rounds came after the low blows. I think the real issue were the head blows. Not like Nando was clean throughout the fight himself. Excuse #2

                No need for excuses, bro. He lost to the better fighter. Got ruined, sadly.
                Lol... you cant make excuses for a guy who lost by KO! You just cant help to think about "WHAT IF" scenarios here... and though vargas had his best rounds after the low blows which had alot to do with titos eye blowing up between rounds as his eye was irritated from being poked.... had vargas not been low blowed. And NOT HAVE his lateral movement taken away from him he would have been fresher going down the stretch...... no excuses tito won that night, PERIOD!! I just get rawled up for this fight DAZED. SOWWEY.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by drenlou
                  Lol... you cant make excuses for a guy who lost by KO! You just cant help to think about "WHAT IF" scenarios here... and though vargas had his best rounds after the low blows which had alot to do with titos eye blowing up between rounds as his eye was irritated from being poked.... had vargas not been low blowed. And NOT HAVE his lateral movement taken away from him he would have been fresher going down the stretch...... no excuses tito won that night, PERIOD!! I just get rawled up for this fight DAZED. SOWWEY.


                  It's the mental pressure that Trinidad applies that wore opponents down. He just never stopped attacking and coming forward regardless of what Vargas did. And Vargas' D was never that great (pause). What I loved was how, after getting his hook countered, Tito began working the right hand overtime throughout the middle rounds. Made Vargas forget about that hook until the championship rounds when he uncorked it again and put him away for good. Masterful performance.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED


                    It's the mental pressure that Trinidad applies that wore opponents down. He just never stopped attacking and coming forward regardless of what Vargas did. And Vargas' D was never that great (pause). What I loved was how, after getting his hook countered, Tito began working the right hand overtime throughout the middle rounds. Made Vargas forget about that hook until the championship rounds when he uncorked it again and put him away for good. Masterful performance.
                    Yeah BU, BU, BUT.......,..... nah i'll leave it alone! It truly was a special night that i will always hold dear, and is one of the best fights ive seen in the last 15 years....morales/barerra got fight of the year that year and rightfully so, but my pick was trinidad/vargas! El Feroz all day!

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by drenlou
                      Yeah BU, BU, BUT.......,..... nah i'll leave it alone! It truly was a special night that i will always hold dear, and is one of the best fights ive seen in the last 15 years....morales/barerra got fight of the year that year and rightfully so, but my pick was trinidad/vargas! El Feroz all day!
                      I really liked Vargas but he bit off more than he could chew with Tito. His handlers rushed him way too quickly and his lifestyle wasn't as disciplined as it should have been (he looked so out of shape against Wright, for instance). It's a shame because I thought he had a great shot to beat Oscar if the Tito fight hadn't occurred.

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