Are Al Haymon advised fighters......

[Beater_of_ass]

Two career high paydays seem like he's doing well to me. He made more money than anyone in his division not named Manny or Floyd. Pretty good if you ask me.

Algieri made more fighting Manny in one night that Maidana did twice. Hell, so did Tim Bradley. Epic fail of a post, LMAO.

[Beater_of_ass]

The point is that Maidana had a great year financially. And he would have NOT made that money fighting anyone else not named Floyd Mayweather. Ok, if he fought Pacquaio maybe he would have made more money.

But just keep in mind the following that happened with Pacquaio vs. Bradley...

Manny owed the IRS... he guess what? So did Floyd and he a huge amount of money kept from his check as well lol. And Maidana still made less with 2 fights against Floyd than Bradely did once against Bradley. The whole point of you bringing up his payday was to show how good of a job Haymon was doing.

You were just disproved that Arum did better for Bradley than Haymon did for Maidana and so you post a undocumented quote about Manny's payday lol. This guy is grasping for straws.

[bigjavi973]

Haymon can make any fight in his stable if he wants to. Guerrero and Porter were given insulting offers to fight Thurman. It's not like this is something unusual and you're either fooling yourself or just plain ****** to believe so. Thurman will do the same exact thing in the same exact situation. Which means it's still in Haymon's hands to make such fights happen. If you interpret asking for more money as ducking, then you better make sure you don't use the same excuse on your idols.

porter and guerrero where never given any offers cuz they were NOT INTERESTED in fighting one time. Shiiit when thurman couldn't get a fight, he moved up to 154 lbs and beat quintana, who was supposed to get a fight with canelo if he won.

[creekrat77]

It seems Haymon is saving all his best matchups for his rumored NBC/NBCSports deal so he can maximize his income. He wasted this year after having a good 2013. If he makes all the fights he could this year, it would be a great year.

would you have a problem with him doing this, assuming he follows through?

He's not going to do that. Simple as that

[The Big Dunn]

Yup, you're right I have a big problem with him advising fighters to drop their belts and turn down their biggest paydays....you don't?

And they needed a good 2013 to get the Showtime thing rolling after getting the boot from HBO, can you name another year Haymon put on great fights? I think 2013 is kind of overrated anyway considering a lot of these fights should be made on a regular basis......Haymon has given boxing fans a battered woman mentality where we don't expect much and don't get much.

You know why he advised those guys not to join Roc Nation sports-his personal situation with Jay-Z. Of course those decisions are terrible. Given the context, understandable.

Other years were not an issue because he wasn't named as the most powerful man in the sport. Since he has consolidated his power-a number of posters have a problem with that-even when he was putting on good cards.

You are right-but they are not being made by anyone except for a few occasions. As for the battered wife thing-that clears up your opinions.
You seem to have decided how you feel about him based on frivolous stuff like Berto's purses on HBO. Some of the fights he was in were damn good.

You judge people based on the product they give you. Haymon gave little to nothing this year and should be judged on that. As for 2013 and next year, same thing-judge on what he did/does.

[El_Feroz82]

How can you say he's putting his career on hold when he tried to get Thurman to face Maidana as far back as 2012? Guerrero in 2013? Malignaggi in 2013? You think Maidana was going to entertain the thought of Thurman this year? Even next year, Maidana is going to say hell no. Porter already said NO. You say all Haymon has to do is tell them ABC. But no Promoter or Manager operates like that for the most part.

If Haymon tries to get Brook, Brook is also going to say HELL NO to Thurman. If Alexander beats Khan, he will definitely start saying HELL NO to Thurman. Even though right now, before the fight, he was cool with that match. If Alexander wins, he will want guys like Mayweather, Brook, etc.

Stop missing the point, if they're with him they can't say no now...he picks the fights.....if you want to reference what fighters say and not the contracts I'm referring to....look no farther than what most of them say when asked about future opponents-up to my team to decide(which is actually Haymon) They all say the opponent is out of their hands....I think that's how Danny did damage control on the Salka situation actually.

[bigjavi973]

Who hasn't gotten a soft touch under Top Rank, please tell me. Manny? Maybe now but that's because there is no one for him to fight. But he was fighting the Morales, Barrera's and Marquez's while guys like Danny Garcia who's best wins are Khan and Mattyse. Here's the really, really crazy part. Danny Garcia has had the toughest schedule of any Haymon fighter and he's still barely cracking a million dollar payday.

Top Rank has put guys through the ringer like Manny, Floyd, Cotto, Oscar and I keep going but all those guys fought the best while under Top Rank ESPECIALLY when they were making a name for themselves. Those happen to be some of the best fighters of the 2000's as well, it shouldn't be a surprise that guys who are TESTED consistently and WIN are bigger draws than guys who are fed bums and win impressively. You get better when you face better competition, what Haymon does is see your talent and keeps you there with no room to grow. He's a ****ing farce and horrible promoter AND advisor. Don King built talent better than Al Haymon FFS.

Word. Al haymon learned his lesson on what type of match-ups since his days with vernon forrest.

[radioraheem]

Manny owed the IRS... he guess what? So did Floyd and he a huge amount of money kept from his check as well lol. And Maidana still made less with 2 fights against Floyd than Bradely did once against Bradley. The whole point of you bringing up his payday was to show how good of a job Haymon was doing.

You were just disproved that Arum did better for Bradley than Haymon did for Maidana and so you post a undocumented quote about Manny's payday lol. This guy is grasping for straws.

What does Manny owing the IRS have to do with anything? No one mentioned that but you. The whole point is that Maidana made more money through fighting Floyd Mayweather than he would have otherwise. Unless he faced a guy like Pacquaio... then maybe there's a case.

Otherwise, Maidana had a great year financially. And that was the point. Bye bye now.

[El_Feroz82]

Who hasn't gotten a soft touch under Top Rank, please tell me. Manny? Maybe now but that's because there is no one for him to fight. But he was fighting the Morales, Barrera's and Marquez's while guys like Danny Garcia who's best wins are Khan and Mattyse. Here's the really, really crazy part. Danny Garcia has had the toughest schedule of any Haymon fighter and he's still barely cracking a million dollar payday.

Top Rank has put guys through the ringer like Manny, Floyd, Cotto, Oscar and I keep going but all those guys fought the best while under Top Rank ESPECIALLY when they were making a name for themselves. Those happen to be some of the best fighters of the 2000's as well, it shouldn't be a surprise that guys who are TESTED consistently and WIN are bigger draws than guys who are fed bums and win impressively. You get better when you face better competition, what Haymon does is see your talent and keeps you there with no room to grow. He's a ****ing farce and horrible promoter AND advisor. Don King built talent better than Al Haymon FFS.

Agree with every word

[radioraheem]

Stop missing the point, if they're with him they can't say no now...he picks the fights.....if you want to reference what fighters say and not the contracts I'm referring to....look no farther than what most of them say when asked about future opponents-up to my team to decide(which is actually Haymon) They all say the opponent is out of their hands....I think that's how Danny did damage control on the Salka situation actually.

You say he picks the fights and can just tell them what to do. But that's not the way a successful Promoter or Manager works. They don't run a dictatorship if they want to last. The fighter also must have a say in the matter, being okay with the situation.