Are Al Haymon advised fighters......

[creekrat77]

those were not ppv fights. and those fights have passed. as I said he did nothing this year and deserves every bit of criticism for it.

If he makes all the fights you or any other poster wants next year how will you judge him then?

Judging by his business practices he won't. Let's see if what you say he will do will actually happen

[Beater_of_ass]

ok. if this is your position I can't argue with it. I would disagree about volume of showcase fights. You used Berto as an example. Since Jan 1, 2009 he fought

collazzo
urango
Quintana
freddy hernandez
Ortiz
jan zaveck
ghost
soto karass
Steve Chambers

Is that really as bad as you claim? Some of these have been great fights.

That's a good resume. To think if Berto won some of those fights he'd be bigger than anyone else in Haymon's stable except for Floyd. That would be because of the matchmaking. 100 Salka's can't touch a win over even someone like Mattyse.

[Bullrider]

porter and guerrero where never given any offers cuz they were NOT INTERESTED in fighting one time. Shiiit when thurman couldn't get a fight, he moved up to 154 lbs and beat quintana, who was supposed to get a fight with canelo if he won.

You can say the same thing with Thurman. He was never given any offer (or contract to sign, which is no different from what that guy says in your video) because he was not really interested in fighting Alexander.

Are you saying Canelo ducked Thurman, too? What if Thurman was asked to move up to fight Canelo? What do you think his reaction would be?

[El_Feroz82]

ok. if this is your position I can't argue with it. I would disagree about volume of showcase fights. You used Berto as an example. Since Jan 1, 2009 he fought

collazzo
urango
Quintana
freddy hernandez
Ortiz
jan zaveck
ghost
soto karass
Steve Chambers

Is that really as bad as you claim? Some of these have been great fights.

When you look at who else was in the division at the time the answer is no they don't impress me that much

[The Big Dunn]

That's a good resume. To think if Berto won some of those fights he'd be bigger than anyone else in Haymon's stable except for Floyd. That would be because of the matchmaking. 100 Salka's can't touch a win over even someone like Mattyse.

Exactly, its not nearly as bad a el feroz 82 made it out to be. Berto lost some and one some and made very exciting fights. It wasn't a Gary Russell or Wilder situation.

Lets just see what he does and hope that he throws it all out there on NBC.

[bigjavi973]

You can say the same thing with Thurman. He was never given any offer (or contract to sign, which is no different from what that guy says in your video) because he was not really interested in fighting Alexander.

Are you saying Canelo ducked Thurman, too? What if Thurman was asked to move up to fight Canelo? What do you think his reaction would be?

LMAO wow.... theres two videos of 78sports that i put up. Listen to BOTH OF THEM. Thurman clearly states that he's interested in the fight, even let team haymon know about it and they never got back to him. So how is he "not really interested in fighting alexander"?

"Are you saying Canelo ducked Thurman, too? What if Thurman was asked to move up to fight Canelo? What do you think his reaction would be?"

Where did I say canelo ducked thurman? HAHAHAHA keep reaching your arms are gonna fall off... Hells yea thurman would get in the ring with nelo. "Ive got an 0 and im not afraid to let it go". I wish more young fighters had that mentality.

[The Big Dunn]

When you look at who else was in the division at the time the answer is no they don't impress me that much

Fine, but it still isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Who would you have had him fight going back to 2009? Please don't throw out guys who are hot now.

I think, respectfully, you threw Berto out there without really remembering who he had fought. Yes, he got headline fights when he shouldn't of. But he also made great, exciting fights. If not his purse, what problems did you have?

[Bullrider]

LMAO wow.... theres two videos of 78sports that i put up. Listen to BOTH OF THEM. Thurman clearly states that he's interested in the fight, even let team haymon know about it and they never got back to him. So how is he "not really interested in fighting alexander"?

"Are you saying Canelo ducked Thurman, too? What if Thurman was asked to move up to fight Canelo? What do you think his reaction would be?"

Where did I say canelo ducked thurman? HAHAHAHA keep reaching your arms are gonna fall off... Hells yea thurman would get in the ring with nelo. "Ive got an 0 and im not afraid to let it go". I wish more young fighters had that mentality.

Point is, like I already stated, Haymon can make these fights happen if he wanted to. You're just making it complicated by interpreting "interest" in the way it suits you. I'll make it simple for you. It means they want more monnneeeyy. You're naive to think that all these Haymon fights happened because these fighters did it because they're macho or something. Do you really think Alexander would just fight Khan without being properly compensated? Just use common sense, brah.

Canelo is the biggest money fight for One Time. So why is he not throwing the ginger kid's name out there? Are you saying Joselito got more balls than him?

[El_Feroz82]

Fine, but it still isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Who would you have had him fight going back to 2009? Please don't throw out guys who are hot now.

I think, respectfully, you threw Berto out there without really remembering who he had fought. Yes, he got headline fights when he shouldn't of. But he also made great, exciting fights. If not his purse, what problems did you have?

My problem is that it was taking up dates when better fights could have taken place....we don't get that many fights on HBO in a year and losing them to Berto just rankled me at the time....he just didn't seem that special. There were a lot of fighters he could have been matched against at the time IMO, Cotto, Clottey, Williams, Margs for example would have had me interested at the time.

[The Big Dunn]

My problem is that it was taking up dates when better fights could have taken place....we don't get that many fights on HBO in a year and losing them to Berto just rankled me at the time....he just didn't seem that special. There were a lot of fighters he could have been matched against at the time IMO, Cotto, Clottey, Williams, Margs for example would have had me interested at the time.

ok, so you should be mad at HBO then for putting those fights on more than Haymon for putting on decent fights for Berto. right?

Dude, those guys are all above Berto at the time. Pwill fought Sergio and winky @154. Margs fought shane, a guy Berto was supposed to fight before Haiti earthquake. cotto fought clottey and many then went to 154. Respectfully, this criticism of both Berto and Haymon is way off.

You have made good points throughout but maybe you have forgotten really where things were back then. Berto had some clunkers, but overall Al did ok by him, HBO and fans.

I would hope seeing exactly who he fought would help you see this.

Good debate. I used to have a Haymon avi so I am biased to a degree. He had a terrible year this year. if he messes up the NBC deal and doesn't give me what I expect in '15, I will be where you are.