Better win: Canelo over Lara or Kovalev over Hopkins?

Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Da Boxer
    WAR
    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
    • Oct 2011
    • 3819
    • 464
    • 541
    • 11,209

    #21
    The Canelo's "win" over Lara is very debatable and most will say that he did not win.

    Kovalev's take it.

    Comment

    • Crazylegs77
      null and void
      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
      • Jan 2008
      • 13101
      • 445
      • 296
      • 21,573

      #22
      Lara lost the fight more than Canelo "won" it.
      Even though he won he lost, according to the judges, but he was to blame for not letting his hands go enough. Poor showing from both fighters.

      Kovalev just dominated. Based on effort, many picked Hopkins to win, Hopkins celebrated accomplished fighter. Id go with Kovalevs win.

      Comment

      • Dinamita 03
        Rolin
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Apr 2013
        • 3677
        • 214
        • 178
        • 18,652

        #23
        Originally posted by Da Boxer
        The Canelo's "win" over Lara is very debatable and most will say that he did not win.

        Kovalev's take it.
        No, more said that he won as in judges and press scores.

        Comment

        • titan m
          Interim Champion
          Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
          • Mar 2008
          • 964
          • 63
          • 262
          • 8,677

          #24
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          Arguably. So every close fight in history can't compare to Kovalev's win because they arguably didn't win?

          Pacquaio arguably didn't beat Marquez in 2008 but which win would you say is better Marquez or Hopkins?

          Kovalev's performance was better in the sense he dominated but I can't see how beating a 49 year old Hopkins is better than beating Lara.
          It doesn't matter if Hopkins was 49 or not, a lot of people picked him to win and he is still considered a top fighter right now and Kovalev absolutely dominated him like nobody has before.

          Hopkins fighting style was supposed to cause him some problems because it has for everybody else and Kovalev hasn't fought anybody like that yet but we all saw how it played out.

          That was a very impressive victory and anybody that takes credit from Kovalev strictly based on Hopkins age is dead wrong but that's just my opinion.

          Comment

          • MDPopescu
            Undisputed Champion
            Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
            • Oct 2012
            • 24153
            • 1,504
            • 2,009
            • 4,138,611

            #25
            Originally posted by Crazylegs77
            Lara lost the fight more than Canelo "won" it.
            Even though he won he lost, according to the judges, but he was to blame for not letting his hands go enough. Poor showing from both fighters.

            Kovalev just dominated. Based on effort, many picked Hopkins to win, Hopkins celebrated accomplished fighter. Id go with Kovalevs win.
            But was Lara looking for a "win" in that one? I haven't notice...

            Comment

            • Da Boxer
              WAR
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Oct 2011
              • 3819
              • 464
              • 541
              • 11,209

              #26
              Originally posted by Crazylegs77
              Lara lost the fight more than Canelo "won" it.
              Even though he won he lost, according to the judges, but he was to blame for not letting his hands go enough. Poor showing from both fighters.

              Kovalev just dominated. Based on effort, many picked Hopkins to win, Hopkins celebrated accomplished fighter. Id go with Kovalevs win.
              I agree with your assessment of the Canelo - Lara fight.

              Comment

              • IronDanHamza
                Banned
                Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                • Oct 2009
                • 48371
                • 4,778
                • 266
                • 104,043

                #27
                Originally posted by titan m
                It doesn't matter if Hopkins was 49 or not, a lot of people picked him to win and he is still considered a top fighter right now and Kovalev absolutely dominated him like nobody has before.

                Hopkins fighting style was supposed to cause him some problems because it has for everybody else and Kovalev hasn't fought anybody like that yet but we all saw how it played out.

                That was a very impressive victory and anybody that takes credit from Kovalev strictly based on Hopkins age is dead wrong but that's just my opinion.
                I agree entirely he deserves credit. One for the win and two for the performance.

                But we can't forget his age.

                Also, plenty said Canelo would lose to Lara and said he was ducking Lara.

                I understand the Canelo-Lara was much closer and could have gone either way, but it was no robbery, legit win for Canelo. And whilst obviously Kovalev's performance was better, I think prime Lara is a better win.

                It's debatable though.

                Comment

                • Doctor_Tenma
                  Monster
                  Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 33313
                  • 1,327
                  • 1,249
                  • 58,127

                  #28
                  Hopkins fooled many on here, I have no idea how. There was nothing that impressive about his last few outings, he may have fought against father time better than anyone else but there was no suggestion that he could compete with Kovalev. Canelo had the much better win.

                  Comment

                  • Dr Rumack
                    I Also Cook
                    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 11870
                    • 683
                    • 303
                    • 22,101

                    #29
                    Canelo's win was really about taking a difficult fight hardcore fans were demanding, and proving himself again after the Mayweather fight. Only weakness I can see in it is that it was very close, and Lara didn't really impress.

                    Kovalev's win was about dismantling a legend and becoming the man at light-heavyweight. No one had dominated B-Hop in that fashion since Roy Jones, and he showed boxing ability a lot of people doubted he had in the process.

                    They're both good wins. And Lara might arguably have been the more difficult opponent given B-Hops advanced age, but I think Kovalev's win was ultimately the more significant of the two.

                    Hopkins was old but he wasn't shot. Taking out a legend in such a definitive fashion and unifying titles in the process is a career changing moment.

                    I think Canelo's win was as much about getting back on track and regaining the respect the Mayweather fight lost him.

                    Comment

                    • sicko
                      The Truth Hurts
                      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                      • May 2010
                      • 34211
                      • 2,594
                      • 839
                      • 151,307

                      #30
                      Absolutely ZERO Controversy in Kovalev win compared to Canelo's so Kovalev EASILY!

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP