Comments Thread For: Arum, CBS CEO Set Meeting on Mayweather-Pacquiao

[bigjavi973]

STFU!! you sound ******ed. TV networks cancel failed shows after 3 episodes when they have spent money to promote and have shot over a dozen episodes.

If they exercise the out-then its safe to say there are issues. If they don't, its because the deal has been profitable for them.

I get you hate Floyd but he has proven to be a money generating machine. Set asisde your pettiness and hate and accept the fact CBS, until something changes, is happy the ppv arm of showtime has sold more than 4 mil ppv's in 4 fights.

Really? So why doesnt showtime show the "official" numbers for the maidana rematch??

[Beater_of_ass]

I don't need to say "who is this guy?", I know EXACTLY who Les Moonves is. I wasn't making Floyd to be something special, I was correcting you because u were insinuating that he was a Billionare and his Billionaire clout would stop Floyd from being allowed to run anything. So it was a simple correction and advising u that Floyd is worth as much or more. THAT'S IT!!! For some reason, that seemed to hurt your feelings. From there it was insults about working at Mcdonalds and selling weed, when u don't know anything about me. So where was I being arrogant? I'm not mad at all and I have lots to say back. The whole problem is that you didn't comprehend my post, spoke b4 u knew the facts and insulted me. That's where ur not being humble. Whatever...u do u! Me, I know how to admit when I'm wrong.

Me too. I said homeboy was a billionaire, I was wrong. You said he made less than Floyd, that's wrong and you've yet to admit that lol. But, Moonves is the one in control of BILLIONS of dollars whether he is one himself or not he doesn't have to answer to Floyd for anything at all, Floyd however, does.

[DeadLikeMe]

not imaginary. Like I had said previously, ask frampton how an outdoor stadium worked out for him.

So to you, an outdoor stadium is completely imaginary?

16,000 capacity structure...again read my initial post regarding this. If you simply google around about temporary structures it becomes clear that the costs surrounding temporary stadiums begin to increase greatly at capacities over 19,000. Why would they build a 16,000 seat outdoor stadium ala Frampton-Martinez when the MGM Grand has several thousand larger capacity than that already?

[bigjavi973]

True-but if you are CBS, you want to maximize money. I think you want Manny 1st-get the 3 mil sales-then you can fight whoever next-Broner, Danny, Thurman.

IDK if it makes sense to risk alienating people and get more bad press by fighting a Khan next. Cotto is an option-but he seems to be leaning toward Canelo.

cool bruh.. are you in agreement with stephen a smith?

[Willthethrill]

arum wants the mayweather fight now...he's convinced that pac can really defeat floyd after his boy dominated a "master boxer" LOL ....obviously this is their plan..they waited so long to get an old floyd to fight..very nice..just like what they did to shane mosley..

Or maybe he just wants to cash out pac one more time

[IMDAZED]

Whats 250 divided by 6?

You think the math is that simple? Or maybe you just so happened to pore over the cash flows, right? Good. Since you know they have to break one million buys to break even, tell me the following:

Revenue for each fight

Operating expenses for each fight

Feel free to admit that you don't know and therefore don't know how much they gain or lose.

[Beater_of_ass]

fair points-but why would any business invest $70 mil (the remainder they owe Floyd for 2 fights) if they know they will lose money? Floyd isn't around for the long haul and they know Haymon is going to NBC. So why again you make fair points, the information available suggests CBS hasn't opted out yet because they are mart enough to know they wouldn't sell anywhere near what Floyd sold if they invested in another fighter.

Yes, they know Floyd-pac will do big and they know they have the only boxer to sell more than 2 mil ppv's twice. You don't just let the biggest draw go.

Well... first of all, who said Al is going back to NBC? Let's assume he does, do you know who owns HBO? NBC does. You think NBC is going to put faith in Al Haymon on free TV when they took them off of the #1 channel for boxing in US? BWAHAHA!!!!! Come on man...

Floyd does draw in a lot of money, but he keeps it all for himself and when you do that people don't want to work with you. This is why THE FIGHT is trying to be made because Floyd's drawing power has gone down a lot since he days of 1 million PPV's. Yeah, he's had more than 2 million buys twice now, but he also hasn't hit a million in 3 out of the last 4.

[The Big Dunn]

I've said this before multiple times, it doesn't matter how many you sell it's how much you make. If I buy 100 soda's for 98 cents and I sell them for 99 cents I made a dollar. If I buy 50 beers for $1.00 and sell them for $1.25, even though it's less I made more money. This is how business works, money talks and right now even with 4 million buys Floyd isn't not meeting what was promised obviously. I mean seriously, when was the last time a boss from NBC was needed to make a fight on HBO?

That screams incompetence from Espinoza and they know he can't get the job done. Anytime there is an issue in a company where someone that high up has to get involved there is a problem, you think he wants to deal with two diva's about a sport no one really watches? He's got more important things to worry about like TV shows, advertisers, NFL and who knows what else.

I don't even want to see Floyd fail, I want to see him fight people and guess what... when he fights someone who is actually a threat I buy it. Not to see Floyd lose, I just want to see him tested. His lack of balls offend me, I've never even been offended at anything he's said or done (minus beating his wifes.) I seriously couldn't imagine a sport where the best players didn't want to test themselves and that's the definition of Floyd's career nearly. It's like LeBron saying "I don't want to play Jordan, I might lose. I mean... I will win, but I just don't want to lose." That as an athlete is offensive, hell, as a man it's ****ing offensive.

I agree Espinoza is a clown. No, he shouldn't have to get involved but these are not your average fighters. you are dealing with Manny/Bob who keep refusing deals and win the PR war.

Floyd has never once said what you posted so come on dude.

The bottom line is as of this post-CBS is still prepared to pay Floyd the $70 mil they owe him for the last 2 fights on the deal. Until this changes- Anyone arguing they are not making money or are unhappy is speculating purely because its Floyd.

Another point-CBS has kept Floyd on even after all the negative press since DV has become a major issue. They didn't let him go after the ray rice quotes, Rachel Nichols interview, fight game crap, etc. Why would they keep someone with such a negative image if they weren't making profit?

[DARKSEID]

You think the math is that simple? Or maybe you just so happened to pore over the cash flows, right? Good. Since you know they have to break one million buys to break even, tell me the following:

Revenue for each fight

Operating expenses for each fight

Feel free to admit that you don't know and therefore don't know how much they gain or lose.

I'm not trying to simplify anything. You're the one overcomplicating things. Here's the cold hard undeniable figure.

Mayweather's purse for each fight 41.5 Million

Opponent's Purse: 5-10 million

That's around 50 million on fighter purses alone.

Unless you think promoting fights are free, they would have to generate around 1 million buys to break even.

[bigjavi973]

Did you fail math?

Mayweather signed 6 fight 250 million dollar contract.

That's 42 million per fight. 42 Million as Floyd's cut alone. Not counting promotion, marketing, airtime and the other fighter's purse.

Exactly:

add up the numbers first

floyd-guerrero :875k buys floyd gets 32 mil
floyd-canelo: 2.2 mil buys floyd gets 41.5 mil
floyd-maidana1: 850k buys floyd gets 32 mil
floyd-maidana2: ??? buys floyd gets 32 mil

Add up all the buys (that are available, since the maidana 2 official numbers aren't out) you get = 3,925,000 buys multiply that by the cost of the ppv ($75) you get a total of $294,375,000

Half of that money is going directly to floyd on guarranteed amounts. So how is it that showtime IS NOT losing money? They are not bringing any profits in, seems like they are just about breaking even.