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The talent pool was larger as someone mentioned. In the States we had immigrants arriving in droves and each nationality to seem to travel a few years apart from others. The States had the Irish culture early then the Polish and Italians then Germans and Russians. Each culture had a few religious followings too, it was tuff as all immigrants do struggle with language barriers and young men looking to fight their way to dollars found themselves in court, jail then to the gym!!
There was 3 to 4 boxing gyms in every major city from 1930 to 1970 and the out skirts also had a club or classes you could attend. Those days are gone now and without a pro membership its very difficult to stay open.
As for old school vs new school the main reason there's a bigger difference between the era's is that the trainers today come from the amateur programs that their mentors were apart of from the 1975 through 85' and that was the Pat Nappi era that developed Howard Davis, Ray Leonard, Mike Spinks, etc 1976 Team. The methods were based on lateral movement and quick scoring combinations.
The same time in the pros fighters were still being taught to step instead of glide so that their feet were "planted" so that harder punches could be delivered. Defense was predicated on movement in the amateurs instead of hand to hand blocks or head movement or body rolling!
Well now were 35 year beyond and the next generation of trainer from the original mentors who were the 1976 students don't have that old school knowledge! When do you see anyone with talent forcing the inside game? Does anyone even know how to use a front pivot move to stay inside and work around your opponent? No they don't, it's funny to me how so many know it alls think that Rigo is a "modern day" fighter when he is a blend of old & new! He prefers not to step inside but he knows how to do it! There was an old man in Cuba back in the 50's --70's who knew how to teach all phases of the inside and outside game his name eludes me now but that on the move game worked great for a 3 round bout! Not so good for 15 unless your name was Ali, or Leonard and that actually goes back to the Master Mover...Mr. Pep!
Point is.....................Nothing is new other than products for health but fighters always ate correctly and drank natural drinks and we're very intune with their bodies. Theres no new techniques and I'm still waiting for someone to post one!!! hahaha!!!!
Right now pro boxing has slipped into the amateur game. We even have refs yelling "BOX" and "STOP" what's that all about?
Trying to embrass safety is fine by me the cultural crew that's here in the States now would rather be "gangsta" dealing and robbing rather than working hard in a gym!
The American athlete that is 6'2"+ and 210+ is concerned about health and although football (American style) can be ruff it's not boxing so why be attracted to it when baseball, basketball attracts the athletes now!
A solid kid with a stong up bringing doesn't need to bust through society the way the immigrants from the pass did!
To be honest when they see the actions of some of the "boxing hero's" of the day they don't want emulate them.
So the inside game has been lost (it doesn't mean it can't be reinstituted)
the States will produce fewer fighters because the current culture including the immigrant influx has less interests in it!!!
A quick comment for some of the Euro fans who keep "chirping" about the USA fighters!!! The United States consists of people from all over the globe, it ALWAYS HAS! In fact all of your countries population are from different parts of the globe also. If you think theres some kind of pure culture dig a hole next to Hitler and before you go, go :****you: I get tired of the "national pride" BS!
Boxing is International and theres only two colors in boxing, Green & Red!!
So that's today lesson on why and how the old school has been all but eliminated. Its on film, it can be studied and learned. Find film on Mr. Blackburn, study Joe Louis's combos. watch Archie Moore and Walcott, Basilio and when Robinson went inside he threw some heavy ****!!!
Georgie Benton was a good teacher, Mr. Futch also!
It's a lot harder work than whats used to day but when done correctly and with some power you knock guys out or simply beat them up!
Ray Corso
There was 3 to 4 boxing gyms in every major city from 1930 to 1970 and the out skirts also had a club or classes you could attend. Those days are gone now and without a pro membership its very difficult to stay open.
As for old school vs new school the main reason there's a bigger difference between the era's is that the trainers today come from the amateur programs that their mentors were apart of from the 1975 through 85' and that was the Pat Nappi era that developed Howard Davis, Ray Leonard, Mike Spinks, etc 1976 Team. The methods were based on lateral movement and quick scoring combinations.
The same time in the pros fighters were still being taught to step instead of glide so that their feet were "planted" so that harder punches could be delivered. Defense was predicated on movement in the amateurs instead of hand to hand blocks or head movement or body rolling!
Well now were 35 year beyond and the next generation of trainer from the original mentors who were the 1976 students don't have that old school knowledge! When do you see anyone with talent forcing the inside game? Does anyone even know how to use a front pivot move to stay inside and work around your opponent? No they don't, it's funny to me how so many know it alls think that Rigo is a "modern day" fighter when he is a blend of old & new! He prefers not to step inside but he knows how to do it! There was an old man in Cuba back in the 50's --70's who knew how to teach all phases of the inside and outside game his name eludes me now but that on the move game worked great for a 3 round bout! Not so good for 15 unless your name was Ali, or Leonard and that actually goes back to the Master Mover...Mr. Pep!
Point is.....................Nothing is new other than products for health but fighters always ate correctly and drank natural drinks and we're very intune with their bodies. Theres no new techniques and I'm still waiting for someone to post one!!! hahaha!!!!
Right now pro boxing has slipped into the amateur game. We even have refs yelling "BOX" and "STOP" what's that all about?
Trying to embrass safety is fine by me the cultural crew that's here in the States now would rather be "gangsta" dealing and robbing rather than working hard in a gym!
The American athlete that is 6'2"+ and 210+ is concerned about health and although football (American style) can be ruff it's not boxing so why be attracted to it when baseball, basketball attracts the athletes now!
A solid kid with a stong up bringing doesn't need to bust through society the way the immigrants from the pass did!
To be honest when they see the actions of some of the "boxing hero's" of the day they don't want emulate them.
So the inside game has been lost (it doesn't mean it can't be reinstituted)
the States will produce fewer fighters because the current culture including the immigrant influx has less interests in it!!!
A quick comment for some of the Euro fans who keep "chirping" about the USA fighters!!! The United States consists of people from all over the globe, it ALWAYS HAS! In fact all of your countries population are from different parts of the globe also. If you think theres some kind of pure culture dig a hole next to Hitler and before you go, go :****you: I get tired of the "national pride" BS!
Boxing is International and theres only two colors in boxing, Green & Red!!
So that's today lesson on why and how the old school has been all but eliminated. Its on film, it can be studied and learned. Find film on Mr. Blackburn, study Joe Louis's combos. watch Archie Moore and Walcott, Basilio and when Robinson went inside he threw some heavy ****!!!
Georgie Benton was a good teacher, Mr. Futch also!
It's a lot harder work than whats used to day but when done correctly and with some power you knock guys out or simply beat them up!
Ray Corso
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