Do you Wlad of today would have beaten Corrie Sanders?

[daggum]

Well, I just thought last week, despite the four KDs, he showed all the weaknesses we've come to expect from him. And the Clinchski is now such a HUGE part of his game I'm amazed he doesn't get DQ'd for it. He even did it right at the opening bell.

pulev should have won by dq :01 second into the first round.

[King_]

Well, I just thought last week, despite the four KDs, he showed all the weaknesses we've come to expect from him. And the Clinchski is now such a HUGE part of his game I'm amazed he doesn't get DQ'd for it. He even did it right at the opening bell.

Something's just not right about this....





Also.... Wlad showed he has the best and most devastating hook in the sport right now. Pulev has never been knocked down as an amateur or pro, he has an iron chin. He is also the 3rd best HW in the world after Wlad and Povetkin (Wlad just beat them both)

Outside of you making Wlad out to be Jesus Christ with boxing gloves on.....nothin' disagreeable there.

Trollin level serious.

I don't get how I'm making him out to be Jesus Christ? Everything in my post is true besides my opinion that he beats all those ATG's.

pulev should have won by dq :01 second into the first round.

Clinching is a part of the sport bro. Excessive? Possibly. But Wlad has a glass chin.... so he does what he has to to maximize his strengths and hide his weakness. What's he supposed to do? Just let someone get inside of him and get KTFO'd? No. He mastered the sweet science.


Wlad clinching to protect his chin/maximize his strengths is literally exactly the same as Floyd using the shoulderroll to maximize his strengths and utilize his defense. Or like Rigo using his footwork and speed to avoid getting caught and protect his glass chin. Same exact thing... The only difference is Wlad is clinching and their not

[Suckmedry]

after a quick watch of klitschko-pulev, theres no way wlad has an easy time with a guy like frazier. he is simply not used to an effective pressure being applied, and joe would get down low and pop up with the hook, i can't see wlad avoiding it all night.

[billeau2]

You criticize Wlad fans for hypotheticals and then you say that. What kind of 'tard does that make you?

Not hypotheticals, attempts at explaining away a loss, after attempting to be revisionists...not all Vlad fans, just the vadtards.

After attempting to make Sanders into a great fighter to account for Vlad's loss this is an attempt to make an argument that Vlad was not the version we see now which is ridiculous considering the clinching among other things.

Listen...I happen to think very highly of Sanders. I even had to be put in my place because I called him a great fighter. But at the end of the day he is very good, compitant, a threat, but not really a great fighter.

If one wants to argue that this version of Vlad is soooooo much better, then pray tell: when has ANY version of Vlad fought a guy, and won, who can pressure and punch as well as Sanders? Heck even if we give peter that distinction, Vlad had a bit of a time with Peter didn't he? And Peter is not a pressure guy in the same way Sanders is. I would call Peter a puncher, and Sanders more of a pressure fighter. And using those tactics he beat Vlad easily.

[daggum]

Something's just not right about this....





Also.... Wlad showed he has the best and most devastating hook in the sport right now. Pulev has never been knocked down as an amateur or pro, he has an iron chin. He is also the 3rd best HW in the world after Wlad and Povetkin (Wlad just beat them both)



I don't get how I'm making him out to be Jesus Christ? Everything in my post is true besides my opinion that he beats all those ATG's.







Clinching is a part of the sport bro. Excessive? Possibly. But Wlad has a glass chin.... so he does what he has to to maximize his strengths and hide his weakness. What's he supposed to do? Just let someone get inside of him and get KTFO'd? No. He mastered the sweet science.


Wlad clinching to protect his chin/maximize his strengths is literally exactly the same as Floyd using the shoulderroll to maximize his strengths and utilize his defense. Or like Rigo using his footwork and speed to avoid getting caught and protect his glass chin. Same exact thing... The only difference is Wlad is clinching and their not

44 times in 4 and a half rounds seems excessive to me. 180 times against povetkin seems excessive to me. henry akwindade cries himself to sleep because he missed out on the henry akwindade era of dominance.

using a shoulder roll and movement are legal. the only difference is what wlad does is illegal. if there was a guy that only threw low blows would you be ok with that? he's just utilizing his strengths after all. he's really good at punching people in the balls it's no different.

[King_]

44 times in 4 and a half rounds seems excessive to me. 180 times against povetkin seems excessive to me. henry akwindade cries himself to sleep because he missed out on the henry akwindade era of dominance.

using a shoulder roll and movement are legal. the only difference is what wlad does is illegal. if there was a guy that only threw low blows would you be ok with that? he's just utilizing his strengths after all. he's really good at punching people in the balls it's no different.

Comparing clinching to low blows is just ridiculous! CLINCHING is NOT illegal. You're acting as if Wlad just clinches and doesn't throw punches. Yes he clinches but he also has 53 KO's and finished all of his opponents. he could clinch 500 more times in a fight but he still hurts his opponents and gets KO's

Salido lowblowed (and headbutted) Lomachenko all night.... yet all the trolls who hate Wlad (not you) have no problem saying those low blows didn't matter and it's "part of the game"


Once again.... What's Wlad supposed to do? He has a glass chin. Is he just going to let someone get inside and KO him to please fans who want to see him lose? No.


Is Floyd going to stop utilizing his shoulder roll and get in a brawl with a brawler to please fans who want to see him lose? No. Neither are illegal.... (clinching is not illegal. Every fighter clinches at least once a fight. Besides Golovkin, he's perfect)

[Elroy1]

after a quick watch of klitschko-pulev, theres no way wlad has an easy time with a guy like frazier. he is simply not used to an effective pressure being applied, and joe would get down low and pop up with the hook, i can't see wlad avoiding it all night.

Another senseless post.

Wladimir just completely shuts down an iron chinned 6'4" 240lb opponent with solid skills and then you base off this masterful performance that Wladimir, who never even fought an opponent as weak as Frazier ever, would have a difficult time belting up a 5'11", 210lbs, chinny, featherfisted, handicapped, punchbag bum dwarf who could barely even box?

That opinion was less than nothing.

[Derranged]

Wladimir could've beaten him back then if he didn't panic then go for the early knockout himself after getting his bell rung.

[Elroy1]

How did Corrie react to being clinched? I've never seen it happen to him... at least, not thirty times a round.

You never watched the entire fight or HBO version. Listen to Geroge Foreman.

Wladimir up to Corrie and before NEVER clinched. This is what he learned to do from this fight. Corrie is the reason Wladimir clinches.

Foreman said "The guy has to learn how to hold on, he never learned that"

Well Wladimir must have taken Foreman seriously!

[damuttz112]

Nah, Corrie was a southpaw with quick hands and Wlad doesn't like gettin hit.