Frazier vs klitschko

[Szef]

Yeah but it took him 12 to get rid of Chambers and 4 to get rid of Mormeck.

But against Frazier he'd change his style completely and knock him out in 3.

Stop living in fantasy land.

he'd know who's in front of him against frazier so yeah, he'd decide to take joe out as soon as possible

[LacedUp]

he'd know who's in front of him against frazier so yeah, he'd decide to take joe out as soon as possible

Yeah, for the first time in his life that's what he'd do.

#fantasyland

[Szef]

Yeah, for the first time in his life that's what he'd do.

#fantasyland

No, for the first in his life Joe would absolutely demolish someone who's not only very skilled and fast but he's also much more bigger, stronger and powerful

#lacedupland

[Elroy1]

Yeah, for the first time in his life that's what he'd do.

#fantasyland

For the first time in his life he would have an opponent in front of him as ****, small, weak and skilless as Frazier!

#checkmate

[LacedUp]

No, for the first in his life Joe would absolutely demolish someone who's not only very skilled and fast but he's also much more bigger, stronger and powerful

#lacedupland

I didn't even say Frazier would win, so stop yourself right there.

But that's more likely than Wlad suddenly turning into an offensive beast that'll kill an ATG in 3 rounds when he carries journeymen fighters into longer than that.

#fantasyland

[Elroy1]

I didn't even say Frazier would win, so stop yourself right there.

But that's more likely than Wlad suddenly turning into an offensive beast that'll kill an ATG in 3 rounds when he carries journeymen fighters into longer than that.

#fantasyland

These journeymen are better than that ATG ever was.

A simple picture, a simple video some simple graphs, any line of evidence you could think of converges on the same thing.

Joe Frazier would not even be ALLOWED to fight in the HW division today because he was too small. And he wouldn't be allowed to box at all because he was half blind!

[Daddy T]

The foreman fight doesn't bode well for frazier in this one. i think an aggressive frazier has a chance if he can get in there and test wlad's chin but the smart money would have to be on wlad.

Again I think it's a case of the pre manny wlad possibly coming up a cropper but the post manny wlad coming out on top.

[kiDynamite92]

That featherfist fought almost exclusively CW's.

He only boxed 17 times against what we would legitimately CALL a HW (even though they were still about 30lbs LESS than Klitschko's average opponent).

He lost 4 times, 2ce by vicious KO.

Of the 13 remaining opponents he failed to KO more than half of them.

Featherfist!

What exactly is a legitimate heavyweight? Would you call a fat overweight golfer a legitimate heavyweight because his fat adds poundage to the scales? Also heavyweights back then tended to be lighter because they had to go 15 rounds. Wlads best wins has come against someone you wouldn't call a legitimate heavyweight in David Haye, who Wlad couldn't even KO. Featherfist!

Frazier was able to knock down Ali, stop the iron jawed Jerry Quarrey twice and George Chuvalo. Featherfist? Myth BUSTED.

[LacedUp]

The foreman fight doesn't bode well for frazier in this one. i think an aggressive frazier has a chance if he can get in there and test wlad's chin but the smart money would have to be on wlad.

Again I think it's a case of the pre manny wlad possibly coming up a cropper but the post manny wlad coming out on top.

Foreman is a completely different beast to Wlad though. Both of them only know one way and that's forward.

Wlad fights timidly against Eddie Chambers, so you would imagine him doing the same against Frazier. Not unthinkable that Wlad would win though, but definitely not early. also, Frazier was kind of flubby and not in his best shape vs Foreman and had only fought twice in 2 years against limited opposition. Completely different fighter to '70 version of Frazier, although the result of the Foreman fight might not be different as it seems Frazier's style was tailor made for Foreman.

[kiDynamite92]

Meanwhile, let's actually look at Wlad's resistance.

KO loss 3 times. 2 through gassing, one of them not even legit.

Only 1 loss via way of getting punched out clean in 67 HW fights average opponent 235lbs. No other boxer even comes close to this.

Yes Frazier lost 4 times. Twice to the greatest and twice to one of, if not the hardest puncher ever and also an ATG. Hardly a disappointment. He was also never legitimately stopped, both fights against Foreman was stopped by the ref while he was on his feet.

All 3 of Wlads stoppages were legit. If Wlad was good enough he would have avoided that beautiful combination from Brewster that had him crying poison. Or that right hand uppercut by purity which sent him to the floor or that whole beat down by sanders. He was LUCKY, SO LUCKY that he got cut against Davyll Williamson who almost had him before the fight had to be stopped.