Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko: Nobody in The World Can Beat Wladimir

[cupocity303]

Tommy Morrison was a dime a dozen big slow brawler. Might as well pick Vinny Maddalone to beat Wlad.

One of the weirdest "Wlad wouldn't survive in another era" examples I've ever seen.

These guys never cease to amaze me. The guy (Wlad) gets wobbled for the first time in a long time, and these mutants come out of the woodsworks listing off anybody who can crack from the 80's, as if it's a foregone conclusion.

If we compare Flaws Vs Flaws ---his 80's fighter has just as many if not more, which can easily be demonstrated by their losses and the way they lost (i.e. getting schooled by another fighter, as opposed to just getting caught with a lucky punch)

[IronDanHamza]

He's right.

Outside of a punchers chance.

[Foreign Soil]

You're just lying. Why are you saying you grew up watching the 90s era when you clearly didn't?

Just because you were born in the 90s doesn't make it your era.

It's really funny to see you so bothered that you've got to make up stuff, nearly every time you respond to me.

[Ravens Fan]

No I agree he was spectacularly knocked out. But then you started talking about Wlad never having been knocked out with 1 punch. You could understand that would lead me to believe you actually are trying to defend Wlad's chin against Lennox's.

Lol, you seriously believe that? Wlad doesn't throw to the body because it leaves his chin exposed. it has nothing to do with "doesn't have to" . And if he "doesn't have to" it clearly proves how crap the division is nowadays.

I don't care what others' opinion is, I've seen all of both fighters fights more or less. Lewis fought guys like Tua, Vitali, Bruno, Ruddock, Golota, Tyson, Rahman, Mercer, Briggs, Holyfield, Grant etc all of whom could punch. Never went down more than twice in his whole career.

Wlad on the other hand has been down in his career 12 times to guys like Brewster, Sanders, Purrity, Williamson (who? you might ask), Sam Peter, Steve Panell etc.

Not comparable at all.

I didn't make it up it is fact Wlad has never been stopped by one punch.

I also find it rather amusing that you believe you know what Wlad is thinking. You know he doesn't go to body because he is exposed. But truly you don't know that. You can think it and it can even be your opinion on it. But please stop making it sound like your inside his head and know what he is thinking. If you had that power I would have to wonder why you are wasting it on this forum?

It is simply my opinion that he doesn't go to the body because he is 6'6" and he can dominate with his jab and overhand right. Why is this my opinion? Because I have watched him fight and that is what he does. And by the way it looks as if it has worked very well up to this point.

Therefore it is also my opinion that Wlad's jab and skills would have aloud him to hold his own in any era. Could you imagine Wlad sticking his telephone pole like jab in the face of a 5'11" 205 pound Joe Frazier?

I also have to wonder how many of Wlad's fights you have actually watched. And why do I wonder? Because you mentioned the twelve knock downs and you may not believe this but half of them are bogus. And if you don't believe me just watch the 5th round of both the first Peter and first Brewster fight. You can also watch the 10th and 11th round of the Puritty fight. If you do and you can remain unbiased you may reduce the actual number of knockdowns by quite a few.

You can also re watch the Sanders fight because he really did knock the snot out of Wlad. With that said it still took four knockdowns to stop Wlad. You also have to remember that Brewster and Sanders were actually pretty heavy handed. And even with Puritty he usually either knocked you out or lost the decision.

As far as comparing Wald and Lennox being knocked down. Well, lets see? Wlad has already fought 22 more fights and about 115 more rounds then Lennox had in his entire career. So, many jsut as simple as more opportunities for it to happen.

The only reason I even said all this is because you believe Wlad has a glass chin. I just don't agree and I believe it was mostly stamina problems. With all that said. Lets say that if Fast Eddie Chambers would have knocked Wlad out then I might have to rethink my opinion and I may have to even agree with you.

[yoz]

It must really pain the [remaining] David Haye fans on NSB. Ostensibly, he had the best shot of ending Wlad's reign, but he chickened out.

Long live King Klitschko!

[Lou Cipher]

Vitali is 100% correct. Forgive his broken English. What he meant to say is Nobody in the world, that Wladimir will fight, can beat Wladimir.

[kafkod]

Comparing Wlad's KO% to Lewis' is equally ridiculous. Could you imagine Lewis even fighting Leapai or Pianeta or Mormeck? I mean, it just would never happen because it would be an embarrassment and people would actually hold Lennox up for it, ask him what the hell he's doing - other than of course HBO would never allow to fight them similar to when he was supposed to fight John Ruiz.

LEAPAI WAS A MANDATORY DEFENCE FOR WLAD. Sorry to shout but I'm getting tired of writing that here.
Lennox fought his share of no-hope challengers too, Eg Justin Fortune (Who dat?) Akinwande (Lol) and yeah Tommy Morrison.

Lol why the hell not? They're pretty much all shit an he was the same size as Povetkin is who I'm sure most people would agree is the second best heavyweight out there.

Bert Cooper was NOT the same size as Povetkin. He was 5.10 and usually weighed in around 200lb. Sasha is 3 inches taller and at least 30lbs heavier than Cooper.

[LacedUp]

I didn't make it up it is fact Wlad has never been stopped by one punch.

I also find it rather amusing that you believe you know what Wlad is thinking. You know he doesn't go to body because he is exposed. But truly you don't know that. You can think it and it can even be your opinion on it. But please stop making it sound like your inside his head and know what he is thinking. If you had that power I would have to wonder why you are wasting it on this forum?

It is simply my opinion that he doesn't go to the body because he is 6'6" and he can dominate with his jab and overhand right. Why is this my opinion? Because I have watched him fight and that is what he does. And by the way it looks as if it has worked very well up to this point.

Therefore it is also my opinion that Wlad's jab and skills would have aloud him to hold his own in any era. Could you imagine Wlad sticking his telephone pole like jab in the face of a 5'11" 205 pound Joe Frazier?

I also have to wonder how many of Wlad's fights you have actually watched. And why do I wonder? Because you mentioned the twelve knock downs and you may not believe this but half of them are bogus. And if you don't believe me just watch the 5th round of both the first Peter and first Brewster fight. You can also watch the 10th and 11th round of the Puritty fight. If you do and you can remain unbiased you may reduce the actual number of knockdowns by quite a few.

You can also re watch the Sanders fight because he really did knock the snot out of Wlad. With that said it still took four knockdowns to stop Wlad. You also have to remember that Brewster and Sanders were actually pretty heavy handed. And even with Puritty he usually either knocked you out or lost the decision.

As far as comparing Wald and Lennox being knocked down. Well, lets see? Wlad has already fought 22 more fights and about 115 more rounds then Lennox had in his entire career. So, many jsut as simple as more opportunities for it to happen.

The only reason I even said all this is because you believe Wlad has a glass chin. I just don't agree and I believe it was mostly stamina problems. With all that said. Lets say that if Fast Eddie Chambers would have knocked Wlad out then I might have to rethink my opinion and I may have to even agree with you.

I didn't say you made it up. Where did I say that?

No, but I know what Lennox Lewis was taught by Steward and I can see the difference in Wlad's fighting before/after Steward. Do you honestly think he woke up one day and thought: "I don't need to throw body shots" ? That's completely absurd. nothing Wlad does is not calculated from the beginning. He's programmed to win, and that means protect your king at all times until the opponent is tired - then right hand and checkmate.

I've never said Wlad wouldn't be a strong contender/champion in any era. I just have a very hard time believing he'd be as dominant in eras where his opponents actually had some good skills.

I have watched all of Wlad's fights that are available for viewing, and have seen all of his knockdowns. Typical Klitschko fans to call them bogus. If they happened for any other boxer, it would be legit. One of the Peter KDs I can maybe agree to as it was a rabbit punch, other than that no.

I'm not saying they weren't heavy handed, but both of them weren't really that good and had mainly featured in the 2. division of the heavyweights especially Sanders who was 6-1 against. Klitschko should easily have taken both of them out, let's not try and rewrite history and make them better than they were, because they clearly weren't that good.

Purrity was a journeyman, sad that you would even try and bring that up as an excuse which just stinks of nuthuggerty I wouldn't expect from a 50 year old man.

Yeah, let's use maths to calculate boxing. Makes complete sense.

I didn't say he has a glass chin, I said it wasn't very good which it clearly isn't otherwise he wouldn't be buzzed by a jab and hold on for dear life everytime and opponent hits him.

However, I have continously said he has an excellent defence that often keeps him out of harms way, which isn't the hardest thing to do when you're facing a statue like Poolev.

LEAPAI WAS A MANDATORY DEFENCE FOR WLAD. Sorry to shout but I'm getting tired of writing that here.
Lennox fought his share of no-hope challengers too, Eg Justin Fortune (Who dat?) Akinwande (Lol) and yeah Tommy Morrison.

Bert Cooper was NOT the same size as Povetkin. He was 5.10 and usually weighed in around 200lb. Sasha is 3 inches taller and at least 30lbs heavier than Cooper.

Haha. Yeah, Leapai was mandatory, so was Ruiz by the way. Leapai mandatory is a further testament to how shit the division is.

Justin Fortune came right after Lewis had been knocked out and just months after facing Butler in an eliminator. Akinwande was shit yeah, but he was undefeated and held the WBO title, even though that didn't mean much then. He had some OK names on his record and as bad as he was he was still in a completely different stratosphere to Leapai who was knocked out in 4 rounds by a guy with 4 fights.

No, Bert Cooper was 5'11½ and 215 lbs in his prime. That's 2½ inches shorter than Povetkin and 10lbs lighter.

Are we saying Povetkin could not lose 10 lbs without it causing anything but good?

[kafkod]

I didn't say you made it up. Where did I say that?

No, but I know what Lennox Lewis was taught by Steward and I can see the difference in Wlad's fighting before/after Steward. Do you honestly think he woke up one day and thought: "I don't need to throw body shots" ? That's completely absurd. nothing Wlad does is not calculated from the beginning. He's programmed to win, and that means protect your king at all times until the opponent is tired - then right hand and checkmate.

I've never said Wlad wouldn't be a strong contender/champion in any era. I just have a very hard time believing he'd be as dominant in eras where his opponents actually had some good skills.

I have watched all of Wlad's fights that are available for viewing, and have seen all of his knockdowns. Typical Klitschko fans to call them bogus. If they happened for any other boxer, it would be legit. One of the Peter KDs I can maybe agree to as it was a rabbit punch, other than that no.

I'm not saying they weren't heavy handed, but both of them weren't really that good and had mainly featured in the 2. division of the heavyweights especially Sanders who was 6-1 against. Klitschko should easily have taken both of them out, let's not try and rewrite history and make them better than they were, because they clearly weren't that good.

Purrity was a journeyman, sad that you would even try and bring that up as an excuse which just stinks of nuthuggerty I wouldn't expect from a 50 year old man.

Yeah, let's use maths to calculate boxing. Makes complete sense.

I didn't say he has a glass chin, I said it wasn't very good which it clearly isn't otherwise he wouldn't be buzzed by a jab and hold on for dear life everytime and opponent hits him.

However, I have continously said he has an excellent defence that often keeps him out of harms way, which isn't the hardest thing to do when you're facing a statue like Poolev.



Haha. Yeah, Leapai was mandatory, so was Ruiz by the way. Leapai mandatory is a further testament to how shit the division is.

Justin Fortune came right after Lewis had been knocked out and just months after facing Butler in an eliminator. Akinwande was shit yeah, but he was undefeated and held the WBO title, even though that didn't mean much then. He had some OK names on his record and as bad as he was he was still in a completely different stratosphere to Leapai who was knocked out in 4 rounds by a guy with 4 fights.

No, Bert Cooper was 5'11½ and 215 lbs in his prime. That's 2½ inches shorter than Povetkin and 10lbs lighter.

Are we saying Povetkin could not lose 10 lbs without it causing anything but good?

Here's Bert Cooper's record.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat...&human_id=1596

You're correct on his height, I thought he was a little shorter. But in his prime he was making cruiserweight comfortably, and boxing at heavy as well because that's where the money fights were. Like all boxers, he put on weight as he got older. He was good, but limited, and like I said, just not big enough to beat the best heavies in his own era, who were much smaller than today's guys.
Povetkin is 6.2, weighs in between 225 and 230lbs, and is considered to be a small heavyweight, but still too big to have any chance of making cruiserweight.

[kiDynamite92]

Wlad is boring but for the sake of boxing I hope he can keep a firm grip on the HW division for at least a few years. Wouldn't want any of the jackasses of today to be called the champ.