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if u watched that fight yesterday you saw wlad making a real attempt to be entertaining and i was very entertained by that fight. i was never a big wlad fan but the fact no one gives the brothers their respect it made me a fan. for starters how is wlad not in the top 3 at least in p4p it is absurd honestly
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I will go back to my original point and that would be that I believe Wlad's supposed glass jaw has been blown way out of proportion. I also don't know why I will bother to do this because it is a complete waste of time. But what the hell I got time to waste.I didn't say you made it up. Where did I say that?
No, but I know what Lennox Lewis was taught by Steward and I can see the difference in Wlad's fighting before/after Steward. Do you honestly think he woke up one day and thought: "I don't need to throw body shots" ?
That's completely absurd. nothing Wlad does is not calculated from the beginning. He's programmed to win, and that means protect your king at all times until the opponent is tired - then right hand and checkmate.
I've never said Wlad wouldn't be a strong contender/champion in any era. I just have a very hard time believing he'd be as dominant in eras where his opponents actually had some good skills.
I have watched all of Wlad's fights that are available for viewing, and have seen all of his knockdowns. Typical Klitschko fans to call them bogus. If they happened for any other boxer, it would be legit. One of the Peter KDs I can maybe agree to as it was a rabbit punch, other than that no.
I'm not saying they weren't heavy handed, but both of them weren't really that good and had mainly featured in the 2. division of the heavyweights especially Sanders who was 6-1 against. Klitschko should easily have taken both of them out, let's not try and rewrite history and make them better than they were, because they clearly weren't that good.
Purrity was a journeyman, sad that you would even try and bring that up as an excuse which just stinks of nuthuggerty I wouldn't expect from a 50 year old man.
Yeah, let's use maths to calculate boxing. Makes complete sense.
I didn't say he has a glass chin, I said it wasn't very good which it clearly isn't otherwise he wouldn't be buzzed by a jab and hold on for dear life everytime and opponent hits him.
However, I have continously said he has an excellent defence that often keeps him out of harms way, which isn't the hardest thing to do when you're facing a statue like Poolev.
The reason I used the word bogus to describe some of the knockdowns is because that is what some of them were, bogus. And the knockdowns are what so many fans focus on as proof of Wlad's supposed glass jaw. So why wouldn't I talk about the Puritty fight when that is one of the fights that so many point to as evidence of Wlad's glass jaw?
As far as fight is concerned, Wlad wasn't even taking punches when he went down in the 10th round. The ref called it a knock down I simply disagree with the call. The fight was then stopped in the 11th with Wlad on his feet. He was in fact taking punishment when his corner man steeped into the ring to stop the fight.
I will also say it once again I believe it had everything to do with stamina problems more so than any punches he was taking. At the time Wlad also had another issue and that was he wasn't very good at clinching when he needed to. Such as when he gassed.
In the Brewster fight Wlad gassed once again. The ref called a knock down when Wlad backed into the ropes and was taking some shots. He never went down and the ref called what amounted to a standing eight count. Wlad was so obviously exhausted after the round when he tripped over the refs feet and the ref made the right call to stop the fight.
I am not going to say that he wasn't hurt. Because he was clearly taking some heavy shots. But once again I believe that it was pretty obvious that his stamina problems were much more of a concern than his supposed glass chin. And how anyone can watch those two fights with an unbiased view and not come to same conclusion is beyond me? The last fight I will discuss is the first Peter fight.
In my opinion there was one legit knock down in the fight. I believe it was in the 10th round. The two in the 5th round were in my opinion both bogus. One was from an illegal rabbit punch and the other one was clearly from a push. Other than that Wlad dominated the fight and there is no need to discuss it further. What else? Oh yeah the math thing.
Why not use math? After all its the one thing that is not subjective simply because it is either right or wrong and cannot be based on ones opinion. It also cannot be denied. And since you seem to be such a big fan of it here is some more math for you.
When Wlad fought Puritty it was his twenty fifth fight in as many months. It also happened to be the first time in his entire career that he went past the sixth round. So why should anyone really be surprised at the fact that he gassed? And you can say what you want about Puritty but at that point in his career he had already fought six ten round fights and one twelve rounder for good measure. What next? Wlad's body punching.
These are the facts as I see them, Wlad was never a big body puncher. If you think otherwise please point to what pre-Manny fight you want me to watch to prove otherwise. I will pick one what about the Mercer fight?
I picked that one because Wald beat the snot out of Ray and he probably averaged one or possibly two body shots in each round. In my opinion, and I believe it to be beyond obvious, that it wasn't Wlad's body punching that changed as much as it was the excessive clinching that Wlad started to do when Manny took control.
Yes, even as a Wlad fan I believe the clinching is excessive and it gets real old. I find myself yelling at Wlad, as if he can really hear me, during his fights to stop clinching and throw some damn punches. And sometimes it makes no sense what so ever as to why he even does it. Prime example is the Povetkin fight.
I truly believe if Wlad would have stopped clinching and pushing down on Povetkin and would have simply thrown more punches that he would have stopped him. And why? Because he was hurting Povetkin when ever he was hitting him. So to me the strategy made no sense and and honestly it was beyond irritating to watch.
But in fairness to Wlad I also believe that Povetkin was also a bigger part of the problem than he was the solution. Because he wasn't moving his hands and he didn't seem like he was interested in doing any in fighting. What else? I want to address the fact that you claimed I was Wlad nutthugger. Once again I simply disagree.
There is no doubt that I am a huge fan but not a nuthugger. I will say it again my only point was to dispute the claim that Wlad's chin was so fragile. With that said I believe I presented enough evidence for a sound argument to dispute those claims.
In closing I am going to say that this was never meant to be any kind of a comparison between Wlad and Lennox. And at this point I am not even sure how Lennox got dragged into the conversation. But I will say this if you want an example of nuthugging look no further than your opinions on McCall and Rahman.
Because I see little difference between Rahman and Brewster or Sanders and McCall. I believe they were really bad losses for both fighters and the fact that you make excuses by trying to make McCall and Rahman out to be something that they were not. That just tells me that you have good job of familiarizing yourself with the testicle region of one Lennox Lewis.Comment
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You are using the He-should-be-undefeated-and-perfect-fallacy here.
If he hadn't lost three times, he would be 66-0 right now. Is this what was expected of him? To go on a 66 fight undefeated winning streak? He barely loses rounds when he is winning. The fact that he lost three times cannot really be held against a fighter who is dominating most of his fights.
Everybody loses (unless you retire early). Either you lose to somebody who is truly better than you, and has got your number, or you lose by getting caught and knocked out. For Wlad, it was the ladder. That does not mean that some other opponents will also catch him. There is nothing to learn from those fights that can be used against Wlad.
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