George Foreman is the GOAT not Ali

[El-blanco]

Retract my statement.

I agree, I though you were claiming different.

Lol no man I'm a pretty objective fan of the sport. Don't even really have a favourite fighter. Just like good fights, regardless of who wins.

[BKM-2010]

A case can be made for George Foreman being the greatest heavyweight of all time.

1. in his prime, he only lost to Ali and Jimmy Young. The loss to Ali is suspect as Ali leaned on the malfunctioning ropes the entire fight while Foreman pressed all the action and dominated him. In a rematch Foreman would have KTFO Ali brutally.

2. he annihilated every single opponent of Ali who defeated Ali. Annihilated Ken Norton whom Ali lost to, annihilated Joe Frazier whom Ali lost to, annihilated common opponents better such as Chuvalo in 3 when Ali took him 12 UD, annihilated Ron Lyle in 5, Ali took 11, etc, etc.

3. Then Foreman came back in a whole 2nd career at age 38 spanning another full 10 years where he annihilated more people finishing with an unprecedented and mind blowing 76(68 KO's)-5 record where he destroyed Michael Moore and captured the heavyweight title again at an unprecedented age.

I think a clear case can be made for Foreman being the #1 GOAT at heavyweight, however at the minimum I can see some people having Ali, but Foreman at the minimum is #2 greatest of all time. The only thing against him is that he lost to the #1 guy in a suspect fight where the #1 guy used dishonorable cowardly tactics otherwise he would of been annihilated. In a rematch, Foreman who was owning Ali physically in that fight would have destroyed Ali.

To me he is the #1 heavyweight of all time.

This is one of the worst boxing history related threads I've seen on this site, but it's not a surprise because you're a typical low IQ NSB poster.

[Elroy1]

This is one of the worst boxing history related threads I've seen on this site, but it's not a surprise because you're a typical low IQ NSB poster.

Apart from the assumption of Foreman=GOAT, which is not too drastic anyway,

everything this guy said is basically irrefutable and concrete.

You expose yourself as a fool!

[SN!PER]

George lost to the Lets Go Champ man, thus permanently dropping him one rank below Ali on the ATG list.

Ali retains his rank and claims victory as greatest heavyweight of all time.

End of thread. Let's all celebrate by doing the Ali Shuffle.

[BKM-2010]

It reeks of extreme butthurt. Ali completely outboxed him, took everything he had to offer without being stunned once, knocked him the living **** out, humiliated him, stole his soul and made him look like an animal who wore a pair of gloves for the first time in his life. It was so bad that you got fanboys like this who simply can't believe it and have to assume it's some kind of freak of nature event or even a conspiracy. LOL. 4 decades later and Ali, the GOAT, still has doubters because his legacy is larger than life. It's just too good to be true, it can't be real because it's like a real life Hollywood movie. It can't be, it just can't!

[Elroy1]

George lost to the Lets Go Champ man, thus permanently dropping him one rank below Ali on the ATG list.

Ali retains his rank and claims victory as greatest heavyweight of all time.

End of thread. Let's all celebrate by doing the Ali Shuffle.

Except Ali never won against an opponent as good as Briggs (except perhaps Foreman himself). And Foreman really did beat Briggs.

Kind of ****s all over that.

[BKM-2010]

Apart from the assumption of Foreman=GOAT, which is not too drastic anyway,

everything this guy said is basically irrefutable and concrete.

You expose yourself as a fool!

I have never once taken a single one of your posts seriously(which is why I've never attacked or gotten into a dialogue with you) and I'm not about to start, pal.

[LacedUp]

Source?

I think I am not alone in believing that Ali ducked a Foreman rematch. What's with the Sports Illustrated "I want Ali again" and all that then?

There must be something more to whatever you have for sure because most agree this is the case.

And I was simply going by what you guys were talking about above, as if Ali rocked Foreman to sleep or something.

"Ali called me at my home in California, just prior to my fight with Ron Lyle. He said, I hear you want a rematch and that's fine but you must rehire **** Sadler as a trainer. I said that Sadler would never work my corner again and Ali responded, angrily, by saying then there would be no rematch".

- George Foreman.

It was also explained much better in "Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times" where Foreman explained how Ali had called him and they got along pretty well, and Ali had told him he must get his act together and they could make a rematch so both of them could make $$ etc.

[Elroy1]

"Ali called me at my home in California, just prior to my fight with Ron Lyle. He said, I hear you want a rematch and that's fine but you must rehire **** Sadler as a trainer. I said that Sadler would never work my corner again and Ali responded, angrily, by saying then there would be no rematch".

- George Foreman.

It was also explained much better in "Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times" where Foreman explained how Ali had called him and they got along pretty well, and Ali had told him he must get his act together and they could make a rematch so both of them could make $$ etc.

AAAHH yes...

I do remember that now.

And there you have it. The "catch" I was talking about. Floyd Mayweather himself could do chicken better!

**** Sadler, the trainer who told Foreman to do nothing but go for a run and hit the heavybag because nobody could stand up to his punch.

Of course Ali would want Foreman to hire that guy

Seriously though, if Ali really wanted to make $$$, HE should have been the one to get his act together and fight Foreman regardless of trainer, that's Foreman's business.

Ali ducked Foreman rematch, like no other. Fact.

[Elroy1]

I have never once taken a single one of your posts seriously(which is why I've never attacked or gotten into a dialogue with you) and I'm not about to start, pal.

What a relief!

I have a group of about 6 or so Old Time Nut Bags to deal with as it is without one more outrageous lunatic to add to the list