George Foreman is the GOAT not Ali

[Weltschmerz]

Wow, some people are just ******ed beyond belief.

You're saying Ali has a better resume + he beat him in their fight, but you'd still rank him above Ali?

He should have beaten Ali, with adjustments he would have too. He lost against himself, so to speak, punching himself out and getting frustrated. Remember Foreman was a green fighter. Also, as I said, he doesn't have the embarrassing blemishes on his record like Ali.

Get the whole picture, sunshine.

[LacedUp]

He should have beaten Ali, with adjustments he would have too. He lost against himself, so to speak, punching himself out and getting frustrated. Remember Foreman was a green fighter. Also, as I said, he doesn't have the embarrassing blemishes on his record like Ali.

Get the whole picture, sunshine.

Yeah so he lost their fight. Those are facts. They were even on the scorecards before Ali knocked him out. We don't care what happened, he lost their fight fair and square.

Ali also has a way better resume. And which embarrassing blemishes? Norton and Frazier? Both of which were revenged and he won the series. Unlike Foreman who has a loss to Jimmy Young.

Lol at Foreman being green, he was in his absolute prime when he faced Ali.

You're out of your depth. Foreman himself would laugh in your face if you told him he was greater than Ali.

[Daddy T]

Foreman beat Frazier, Lyle and Norton more convincingly than Ali, who lost to Frazier and Norton too. So yeah, we can rate him above Ali, even if Ali faced overall better opposition resume-wise. H2H we can rate Foreman above Ali too, as I believe Foreman would have killed Ali in a rematch.

I also think Foreman had a better career, considering his comeback defeating Moorer and becoming world champ at an older age. That was awesome.

so you rank foreman above ali due to the fact despite getting knocked out by past prime ali in rumble in the jungle you BELIEVE that if there had been a rematch foreman would have won.

You support your argument by saying that foreman's two greatest wins in his prime (norton and frazier) were over guys who gave ali trouble.

You admit that ali fought tougher opposition throughout his career but claim that foreman's win over moorer seals the deal and causes foreman to be greater than ali yeah?

Did I get that right?

[kiDynamite92]

4th on my list

1. Muhammmad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Sonny Liston
4. George Foreman
5. Jack Johnson
6. Larry Holmes
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Lennox Lewis

[LacedUp]

so you rank foreman above ali due to the fact despite getting knocked out by past prime ali in rumble in the jungle you BELIEVE that if there had been a rematch foreman would have won.

You support your argument by saying that foreman's two greatest wins in his prime (norton and frazier) were over guys who gave ali trouble.

You admit that ali fought tougher opposition throughout his career but claim that foreman's win over moorer seals the deal and causes foreman to be greater than ali yeah?

Did I get that right?

He'll belittle Ali to make Wlad look better. That's his whole game.

[Weltschmerz]

Yeah so he lost their fight. Those are facts. They were even on the scorecards before Ali knocked him out. We don't care what happened, he lost their fight fair and square.

Ali also has a way better resume. And which embarrassing blemishes? Norton and Frazier? Both of which were revenged and he won the series. Unlike Foreman who has a loss to Jimmy Young.

Lol at Foreman being green, he was in his absolute prime when he faced Ali.

You're out of your depth. Foreman himself would laugh in your face if you told him he was greater than Ali.

Ali avoided the rematch, since Foreman wouldn't rehire Sadler as trainer - Ali probably didn't want all those body shots all over again. There was a story that he was pissing blood in the dressing room after the fight due to the pummeling Foreman gave him. Maybe a tad bit scared he got.

Point is, Foreman beat himself in Africa, and he could have beaten Ali with a trainer who didn't pace him constantly in that fight like Sadler did. Foreman was the champion going into that fight, he could have Ali come to him.

[Weltschmerz]

so you rank foreman above ali due to the fact despite getting knocked out by past prime ali in rumble in the jungle you BELIEVE that if there had been a rematch foreman would have won.

You support your argument by saying that foreman's two greatest wins in his prime (norton and frazier) were over guys who gave ali trouble.

You admit that ali fought tougher opposition throughout his career but claim that foreman's win over moorer seals the deal and causes foreman to be greater than ali yeah?

Did I get that right?

The argument is there. This notion that Ali has to be the GOAT is getting a bit old as time goes on. He didn't exactly end his career very champion-like, did he.

Foreman is more impressive. He was out for a decade, came back, eventually world champ again aged 45.

[Daddy T]

The argument is there. This notion that Ali has to be the GOAT is getting a bit old as time goes on. He didn't exactly end his career very champion-like, did he.

Foreman is more impressive. He was out for a decade, came back, eventually world champ again aged 45.

and while in his prime got ktfo by ali yes pretty impressive that ali knocked that beast out alright especially considering that, as you say, at 45 an old, fat foreman was able to beat the then world champ. Ali truly must be the greatest.

[Weltschmerz]

and while in his prime got ktfo by ali yes pretty impressive that ali knocked that beast out alright especially considering that, as you say, at 45 an old, fat foreman was able to beat the then world champ. Ali truly must be the greatest.

He punched himself out and tired. Ali wasn't a great puncher, he just got lucky with that strategy of his. A composed Foreman wouldn't have fallen for any rope-a-dope.

[abdelfadeel]

George Foreman is not the GOAT in an absolute H2H sense, I don't agree with that. But he deserves to be talked about in those circles.

I totally agree however that Foreman was the best boxer of the 70's AND, even if George Foreman still LOST to Ali, as he indeed did, but then rematched and WON against him, as he indeed undoubtedly would have, then it would be crystal clear that George Foreman, would have joined that class of boxer known as a "dominant" champion, having taken on, and beaten all the big named boxers of the 70's. That combined with his good run in the 90's would elevate him to a level of greatness basically unheard of in boxing ever. So in this sense I can totally agree.

We can see how Foreman was overconfident and fought ridiculous in that fight with Ali. We can also see how ridiculous and lucky Ali's strategy (or lack thereof) was is letting Geroge wail on him. And then there's all the other stigmas that go with that fight and the fact he was confinded and couldn't even spar for it. And Ali clearly ducked the Foreman rematch like he did no other.

Other than this highly controversial affair, George slugged out Frazier and Norton as if they were nothing. Fighters that imo bested Ali most times they fought.

George Foreman was the best HW of the 70's. Fact.

How do you know?