Pulev is garbage; the HW div. is trash.

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  • Weebler I
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    #231
    Originally posted by 5burowz
    Pulev fought one of the most unskilled fights I have ever seen. He looked like Edward Rackley in there. If that's your thing...have at it.
    I don't think so, Pulev got the better of the jab exchanges and I don't think the punch stats were one-sided (2 power punches in it?). It seems Pulev had prepared to avoid the big right hand but forgot to focus on the left hook which was the key to the win for Wlad.

    It's easy to call it unskilled when we're used to watching little guys with their fast movement etc but these are big men, the skills aren't always as obvious, but they're definitely there.

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    • Elroy1
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      #232
      Originally posted by 5burowz
      You're a ****ing disgrace of a boxing fan if you think those could be the only possible reasons.
      Well Wladimir is possibly the most extravagant combination of size, skill and athleticism ever in boxing. And he has dominated a long reign over guys who are the heaviest on record and have the best records of any era.

      And it is 2014. Things only improve, they don't regress over time as in all sports and really anything. The law of entropy promises it.

      So enlighten me.. If you want to make these outrageous suggestions unchecked?

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      • Weltschmerz
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        #233
        Originally posted by 5burowz
        What a stiff. Literally. Could the guy stand up any straighter or keep his chin up in the air anymore than he does? How could Wlad miss? The div. is a disgrace to what HW boxing used to be. Just another crap win for Wlad as people continue to believe he is one of the greatest HW's of all time. He's not. He's just competing in an era where fighters literally have minimal boxing skills. Wlad would've gotten wrecked and been knocked out multiple times had he come up in the 90's. And if you don't believe that, then you really don't know your boxing.
        This is just your biased opinion. Nothing factual about it.

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          #234
          He was garbage before the fight, he's garbage now.

          Slow, plodding, upright, stiff as a board, no body or head movement....he sucks, as does the division as a whole.

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            #235
            Originally posted by -Weltschmerz-
            Vlad looked good last night, his clinching wasn't excessive and Pulev clinched equally when you look at the fight. They have similar styles to an extent and for this reason ended up in clinches quite often, which was swiftly broken up by the ref.

            Looks like Johnathon Banks is doing good work, Vlad looked mobile, light on his feet, quick, threw a better variety of combinations than we usually see. I personally believe that was one of his better performances in years and he doesn't look one bit slowed down in any department.

            He makes quality opponents look lesser because he is so superior. Pulev is the 2nd best HW in the world and he came to fight.

            Good fight.
            Yes that's a good point. People often forget about Jonathon Banks's training of greatness now.

            I mean sure he inherited the premier HW of the time, but he seems to have not only kept WK on track, but developing as a fighter also.

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              #236
              Originally posted by Elroy1
              Well Wladimir is possibly the most extravagant combination of size, skill and athleticism ever in boxing. And he has dominated a long reign over guys who are the heaviest on record and have the best records of any era.

              And it is 2014. Things only improve, they don't regress over time as in all sports and really anything. The law of entropy promises it.

              So enlighten me.. If you want to make these outrageous suggestions unchecked?
              heaviest on record-that's a bad thing that means they are fat and out of shape

              best records-that means they aren't fighting anyone or each other. hard to get a lot of credit when the guys you beat haven't beaten anyone or have maybe 1 top 10 win.

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                #237
                Originally posted by Weebler I
                I don't think so, Pulev got the better of the jab exchanges and I don't think the punch stats were one-sided (2 power punches in it?). It seems Pulev had prepared to avoid the big right hand but forgot to focus on the left hook which was the key to the win for Wlad.

                It's easy to call it unskilled when we're used to watching little guys with their fast movement etc but these are big men, the skills aren't always as obvious, but they're definitely there.
                wlad landed 38 punches but clinched 44 times

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                  #238
                  Originally posted by gmc_rfc_06
                  He was garbage before the fight, he's garbage now.

                  Slow, plodding, upright, stiff as a board, no body or head movement....he sucks, as does the division as a whole.

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                  • Elroy1
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                    #239
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    heaviest on record-that's a bad thing that means they are fat and out of shape

                    best records-that means they aren't fighting anyone or each other. hard to get a lot of credit when the guys you beat haven't beaten anyone or have maybe 1 top 10 win.
                    That doesn't make sense and simply isn't true..

                    Sure, BEFORE a boxer hits top level they can pad, but as soon as they raise their competition level, they are expected to fight quality opponents.

                    We can go 2 or 3 levels deep here too and we see the same thing. Better records all around. This is because there are simply more boxers overall and those with very poor records are eliminated before you know about them.

                    Yesterdays champions, are todays bums, sorry.

                    On the weight, weight is ALWAYS an advantage in boxing. The greater the weight discrepancy, the greater the chances the heftier guy will win, this is an irrefutable fact and the reasons for divisions.

                    And there have always been boxers who are chubby in every era, but there have never been as athletic boxers as there are now.

                    Chubby boxers can be successful at HW. HW boxing is not a sport where it is always best to be lean. There is nothing about chub detrimental to boxing, it's performance that matters.
                    Last edited by Elroy1; 11-16-2014, 06:06 AM.

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                    • 5burowz
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                      #240
                      Originally posted by -Weltschmerz-
                      This is just your biased opinion. Nothing factual about it.
                      It's an objective opinion

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