Manny Pacquiao is Undeniably The Greatest Fighter of Our Era

[The Big Dunn]

Im not aware of this Ring vote poll, was this poll done after Pac got ko'ed by JMM? The result would be distorted then if so.
Wasn't Pac FOTD and the talk of the town, so something must have changed.
Why should Pac fight PW and Sergio when Pac has already fought better fighters than Floyd has, yet Floyd wasn't penalized, still staying at no1 spot p4p.
And Pac has mostly beat common opponents more specturlary or just better. So why don't Floyd and his fans stop complaing, and just let Floyd fight Sergio instead of Cotto having to show FLoyd how its done. ONce Floyd beats them then we can talk. Because other than that that, Floyd is no action, so theres nothing to talk about.

ITs in my sig. here is a brief synopsis-In the October issue of Ring magazine, they asked 20 writers and historians to list their top 20 fighters since World War 2.
Points were awarded to each fighter : 20 points for 1st place placing, 19 points for 2nd place ect, ect.
Here is how the total came out. The number of 1st place votes are in brackets:


1. Ray Robinson - 396pts - (17)
2. Henry Armstrong - 339 - (1)
3. Muhammad Ali - 324 - (1)
4. Roberto Duran - 296
5. Joe Luis - 293
6. Ray Leonard - 258
7. Willie Pep - 246 - (1)
8. Archie Moore - 189
9. Julio Cesar Chavez - 171
10. Ezzard Charles - 164
11. Perenell Whitaker - 132
12. Floyd Mayweather Jr - 118
13. Marvin Hagler - 117
14. Carlos Monzon - 98
15. Eder Jofre - 86
16. Sandy Saddler - 82
17. Roy Jones Jr - 80
18. Rocky Marciano - 77
19. Bernard Hopkins - 66
20. Ike Williams - 55

Manny hasn't fought better fighters. He fought names when they were on the downside of their career. if you want to penalize one for not fighting, you have to penalize both. Manny also beat a lot of them after Floyd, which you wont acknowledge.

No Floyd fan is complaining about the ranking-even the ones who think he should be higher. We are not bitter about #12, why are you about #26?

[TMTForever]

1) What does Mosley have to do with Marquez jumping those divisions to fight Floyd?

2) Mosley fought at WW before fighting Oscar. Marquez was fighting at the lower weights and for a longer period.

3) You didn't mention weight classes because it would shoot your whole weak argument to smithereens! You said that Floyd beat the champ Marquez but I pointed out that Marquez was NOT the WW champ. Not even close! So putting his name in that list is wrong! Unless you are a Floyd fan that likes to butter up his heroes resume!

your still off base..my original post was strictly about how many hofers floyd defeated when they were champions..i din;t need to mention the weight class but i did for clarity's sake something that keeps going waaay over your head..

floyd defeated marquez and the other fighters i mentioned when they were in championship form, meaning they were considered one of the best fighters in their respective weight classes.

if winning titles were so easy how come marquez hasn't won one since 2011?

how many Hofers did manny defeat in championship form:

1. marco barrera 126 no title on the line barrera vacated *
2. 130 marquez WBC
3. miguel cotto 147 WBO
4. ricky hatton 140 no title ricky had vacated *


that's about it for manny 3 fighters barrera and hatton were not recognized champions at the time of their defeat but even if i give him those two he still falls way short of what floyd accomplished.

[hugh grant]

ITs in my sig. here is a brief synopsis-In the October issue of Ring magazine, they asked 20 writers and historians to list their top 20 fighters since World War 2.
Points were awarded to each fighter : 20 points for 1st place placing, 19 points for 2nd place ect, ect.
Here is how the total came out. The number of 1st place votes are in brackets:


1. Ray Robinson - 396pts - (17)
2. Henry Armstrong - 339 - (1)
3. Muhammad Ali - 324 - (1)
4. Roberto Duran - 296
5. Joe Luis - 293
6. Ray Leonard - 258
7. Willie Pep - 246 - (1)
8. Archie Moore - 189
9. Julio Cesar Chavez - 171
10. Ezzard Charles - 164
11. Perenell Whitaker - 132
12. Floyd Mayweather Jr - 118
13. Marvin Hagler - 117
14. Carlos Monzon - 98
15. Eder Jofre - 86
16. Sandy Saddler - 82
17. Roy Jones Jr - 80
18. Rocky Marciano - 77
19. Bernard Hopkins - 66
20. Ike Williams - 55

Manny hasn't fought better fighters. He fought names when they were on the downside of their career. if you want to penalize one for not fighting, you have to penalize both. Manny also beat a lot of them after Floyd, which you wont acknowledge.
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Pac had fought better fighters. You being the Pac hater you are couldn't even acknowledge Rios was a tough, tough opponent for Pacs first comeback fight so nothing you say has any credibility here. Floyd should be penalized because he is supposedly no1 yet wont try justify it, and always needs to ask why doesn't Pac do it, rather than roll his sleeves up and get on with it. Stop concentrating on what Pac is doing, and rather try justify your best in the world status. Pac beat Bradley, so Pac don't need to justify anything more than that. He took Bradleys zero, so no unbiased person would think Pac needs to do anymore.

Barrera was no1 or 2 p4p depending on who you asked when Pac destroyed him. Why should Pac be penalized again when Floyd doesn't get penalized and stays p4p no1 even when Pac beats better fighters than Floyd? What does it matter that some common Floyd beat some common opponents first, when if you lose to FLoyd you learn a lot in losing so when Pac fought them they must have been better fighters right? Floyd fought and beat fighters after theyd lost to other fighters so why don't you penalize Floyd there.?

I think the thing is Floyd got to p4p no1 before Pac, so Ring magazine thought they would just leave Floyd there until Pac beat Floyd, but we know Floyd wanted there to be question marks and left it to fantasy. And there was debates about whether Floyd really should be no1 above Pac anyway, that mythical title.

That Ring poll is distorted after Pacs loss to JMM. Pac was a joke figure after that loss, but Pac has rebounded back and shown people what he is made of, only the elite can. Floyd hasnt shown it so should in a fair world be below Pac. But Pac has shown he is as tough as nails and can comeback and beat Americans no2 WW, Floyd hasn't shown he is Americans no1 WW yet.
Did RJJ beat anyone of note after being Ko'ed by Tarver?

[TMTForever]

ITs in my sig. here is a brief synopsis-In the October issue of Ring magazine, they asked 20 writers and historians to list their top 20 fighters since World War 2.
Points were awarded to each fighter : 20 points for 1st place placing, 19 points for 2nd place ect, ect.
Here is how the total came out. The number of 1st place votes are in brackets:


1. Ray Robinson - 396pts - (17)
2. Henry Armstrong - 339 - (1)
3. Muhammad Ali - 324 - (1)
4. Roberto Duran - 296
5. Joe Luis - 293
6. Ray Leonard - 258
7. Willie Pep - 246 - (1)
8. Archie Moore - 189
9. Julio Cesar Chavez - 171
10. Ezzard Charles - 164
11. Perenell Whitaker - 132
12. Floyd Mayweather Jr - 118
13. Marvin Hagler - 117
14. Carlos Monzon - 98
15. Eder Jofre - 86
16. Sandy Saddler - 82
17. Roy Jones Jr - 80
18. Rocky Marciano - 77
19. Bernard Hopkins - 66
20. Ike Williams - 55

Manny hasn't fought better fighters. He fought names when they were on the downside of their career. if you want to penalize one for not fighting, you have to penalize both. Manny also beat a lot of them after Floyd, which you wont acknowledge.

No Floyd fan is complaining about the ranking-even the ones who think he should be higher. We are not bitter about #12, why are you about #26?

duran is way to hoigh, i would have had him at 25 and manny 46

[HanzGruber]

Pac had fought better fighters. You being the Pac hater you are couldn't even acknowledge Rios was a tough, tough opponent for Pacs first comeback fight so nothing you say has any credibility here.

Lol is this a joke. Rios is a damn punching bag. He lost to Abril and got OUTBOXED by Alvarado. Get real. People talk about Floyd fights slow plodders rios is the slowest and the ploddiest lol

[ADP02]

You just can't get over the fact that your biased view isn't shared by anyone credible.

If you were a boxing fan you would understand that when your best wins are against a guy Floyd shutout (and KO'd you), a guy zahir raheem dominated after beating you, and a Barrera who many thought was on the downside prior to his beating Hamed, you are not going to get a lot of top 20 votes.

Can't you just be happy with 26th place?

You don't know what you are talking about. Floyd shutout a guy that didn't look like a WW and was not a WW nor a JWW.

Same scenario with Raheem. it happened at a division that was not known to be Morales best. It was his first fight at 135.

Barrera: Beat Morales, Nassem prior to Manny and Morales and others even after. Barrera wasn't even 30. He fought Marquez, Manny again many years later.


You need to use logic. What happened is that they voted and had the vision of Manny KOed instilled as it was relatively a recent thing. So that brought Manny down. If the voting happened just before that fight, it would have been different. So if Floyd looks bad in his next fight, that 12 will go down.


Again, those numbers will change. Floyd though ducked Manny because of his "0" and health. That is history now. Don't cry, you still have those journalists that said what they said in 2014.

[Daddy T]

duran is way to hoigh, i would have had him at 25 and manny 46

Duran deserves to be right up there. Incredible career.

[neoz]

Can we stop with the floyd beat marquez easily ****. Floyd came in way over the weight limit and marquez was only just moving up in weight. Floyd loses by default for being a cheating mofo.

[b00g13man]

Can we stop with the floyd beat marquez easily ****. Floyd came in way over the weight limit and marquez was only just moving up in weight. Floyd loses by default for being a cheating mofo.

Would you like to see a rematch at 147 in that case? If not, why?

[Killer_of_Sheep]

Floyd Mayweather's best wins:

sure-fire HOF's -

Shane Mosley (not-prime)
Oscar de la Hoya (not-prime)
Miguel Cotto
Juan Manuel Marquez.

Possible HOF's -

Castillo 2x
Corrales

World Class -

Canelo
Genaro Hernandez
Ricky Hatton

Manny Pacquiao's best wins:

Sure-fire HOF's:

Shane Mosley (not-prime)
Oscar de la Hoya (not-prime)
Juan Manuel Marquez 2x
Marco Antonio Barrera 2x
Erik Morales 2x
Miguel Cotto

Possible HOF's:

Tim Bradley

World Class:

Ledwaba
Oscar Larios
Ricky Hatton

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Yeah, Pacquiao takes it. But its close.