Al Haymon's Contracts

[pesticid]

That is nonsense. If it were true Pacquaio would NOT be fighting Algieri. But fact is, Arum wants to keep his profits in-house. And is uninterested in splitting money and doing business with Golden Boy. And it doesn't matter who Pacquaio fights, because like Mayweather, Pacquaio has a guaranteed multi fight contract with HBO via Top Rank. So Pacquaio is going to get a purse of up to $20 million no matter who he fights. Doing this for the fans?

Chavez fought Martinez on PPV - Martinez is not with Top Rank
Chavez was to fight GGG - Golovkin is not with Top Rank
Cotto fought Martinez - Martinez is not with Top Rank
Cotto is rumoured to fight Canelo - Canelo is not with Top Rank
Bradley fought Provodnikov - Provodnikov is not with Top Rank
Lomachenko fought Gary Russel Jr - Gary is not with Top Rank
Pacman is fighting Algieri - Algieri is not with Top Rank
Crawford fought Gamboa - Gamboa is not with Top Rank
Mikey Garcia was offered to fight Gamboa - Gamboa is not with Top Rank

[radioraheem]

Arum wants to keep his profits in house yet Algieri isn't a Top Rank fighter. When Cotto fought Martinez, Martinez wasn't signed to Top Rank. Arum tried to make Chavez vs Froch and GGG, neither of those guys are signed to Top Rank except for Chavez. So, you're ****** keep fights in house comment is proven wrong yet AGAIN, and I didn't even mention Cotto/Canelo.

Having a minimum guarantee doesn't mean you get to fight anyone, HBO still has to approve the matchup. What really is funny you complain about Manny's minimum purse, while Floyd has a higher one so which is it? Is it bad to have a guarantee or is it good for the fighter to have one, make up your mind because Manny and Floyd are in the same boat in that case.

Cotto is a Free Agent, he is not signed to Top Rank. Martinez is with Dibella. Cotto works with Top Rank on a fight-by-fight basis. Fact.

Again, if Arum were really for the fans, Pacquaio would never be fighting Algieri. Never. I don't even complain about Pacquaio's purse. I was just stating the fact, that he has a very lucrative guaranteed contract with HBO through Top Rank. Yes, Floyd has a higher guarantee with Showtime. But it's mostly because he is his own Promoter. Top Rank's contract with HBO could be identical to the numbers Floyd has with Showtime. But Top Rank is going to deduct a cut from the check, and give Pacquaio the rest. Hence, why Pacquaio would get $20 million on average, rather than $32 million.

[Beater_of_ass]

What shows if he's a PPV attraction is the numbers he does without another huge superstar. His PPV numbers without Mayweather have been LOW. So low that the network was forced to demote him to regular TV instead of PPV. This is a fact.

Floyd though, he's done high numbers even without a superstar. Same for Pacquaio. Again, they are the only true PPV stars in boxing.

Did you know Oscar fought on regular HBO? After he was in big fights like Tito and Mosley? Being on HBO isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing for your career because it's used to springboard the PPV buys. Cotto did 500 with Marg's the first time then went back to HBO. Got 1.25 million with Manny and then back to HBO. Did 600k in the Margarito rematch, then did 1.5 million with Floyd and back to HBO. His fight with Martinez did 375k but he isn't a strong B-side, he'll be back on PPV with Canelo and do over a million again. Yea... being on HBO or Showtime isn't a bad thing unless that's all you do like the Haymon guys. It's there to build up your PPV attraction so they make the $32 million a fight like Floyd does, collecting a million to fight Salsa is ruining a career not helping it.

[icha]

Canelo is no PPV attraction. You must have forgotten that Canelo vs. Clottey was not scheduled for PPV. He got demoted. And good luck on seeing GGG on PPV next year.

You seem to not understand business and facts. PPV numbers are SPIRALING down consistently! And that includes numbers for guys like Pacquaio and Mayweather, the two biggest cash cows.

he signed a multi year contract with hbo for 3 fights a year including 2 ppvs a year...
but he is not a ppv draw?? people at hbo must be ******ed then... but im sure you know better than them...

[radioraheem]

Chavez fought Martinez on PPV - Martinez is not with Top Rank
Chavez was to fight GGG - Golovkin is not with Top Rank
Cotto fought Martinez - Martinez is not with Top Rank
Cotto is rumoured to fight Canelo - Canelo is not with Top Rank
Bradley fought Provodnikov - Provodnikov is not with Top Rank
Lomachenko fought Gary Russel Jr - Gary is not with Top Rank
Pacman is fighting Algieri - Algieri is not with Top Rank
Crawford fought Gamboa - Gamboa is not with Top Rank
Mikey Garcia was offered to fight Gamboa - Gamboa is not with Top Rank

@ this, you're even throwing in fights that DID NOT happen. You cannot be serious.

Top Rank fighters usually fight fellow Top Rank fighters. Now, this isn't always the case. But it is usually, and it makes business sense.

[icha]

What shows if he's a PPV attraction is the numbers he does without another huge superstar. His PPV numbers without Mayweather have been LOW. So low that the network was forced to demote him to regular TV instead of PPV. This is a fact.

Floyd though, he's done high numbers even without a superstar. Same for Pacquaio. Again, they are the only true PPV stars in boxing.

canelo ppv = black numbers...
floyd ppv = red numbers...

[Beater_of_ass]

Cotto is a Free Agent, he is not signed to Top Rank. Martinez is with Dibella. Cotto works with Top Rank on a fight-by-fight basis. Fact.

Again, if Arum were really for the fans, Pacquaio would never be fighting Algieri. Never. I don't even complain about Pacquaio's purse. I was just stating the fact, that he has a very lucrative guaranteed contract with HBO through Top Rank. Yes, Floyd has a higher guarantee with Showtime. But it's mostly because he is his own Promoter. Top Rank's contract with HBO could be identical to the numbers Floyd has with Showtime. But Top Rank is going to deduct a cut from the check, and give Pacquaio the rest. Hence, why Pacquaio would get $20 million on average, rather than $32 million.

So... is the guarantee good or bad for a fighter? And the reason Manny gets less money is because he brings in less buys than Floyd, and two... it's so HBO doesn't lose money that's called being smart businessmen unlike what Showtime has with Floyd. And whether Cotto is a free agent or not has nothing to do with the fact that Top Rank has no problems working with other promoters. Stop trying to prove your credibility with false claims because you have none.

[Beater_of_ass]

@ this, you're even throwing in fights that DID NOT happen. You cannot be serious.

Top Rank fighters usually fight fellow Top Rank fighters. Now, this isn't always the case. But it is usually, and it makes business sense.

Ok so now let me get this straight. Top Rank rarely works with other promoters and that's a bad thing... so he should keep his fights in house then? Ok I get it, but then Haymon not only doesn't work with other promoters, his guys fight each other as often as Top Rank works with other promoters (in your words) and that's better?

[radioraheem]

he signed a multi year contract with hbo for 3 fights a year including 2 ppvs a year...
but he is not a ppv draw?? people at hbo must be ******ed then... but im sure you know better than them...

He hasn't been producing the numbers. And it's not because Canelo isn't a star. But he's not a big mainstream star like Pac and May. And people are less and less interested in spending money on PPVs. The PPV model is withering away. The only guys doing good numbers are Pacquaio and Mayweather. Everyone else numbers have been bad.

It is what it is.

[Beater_of_ass]

He hasn't been producing the numbers. And it's not because Canelo isn't a star. It's more because people are less and less interested in spending money on PPVs. The PPV model is withering away. The only guys doing good numbers are Pacquaio and Mayweather. Everyone else numbers have been bad.

It is what it is.

You don't seem to understand anything but number of buys, time to school you, again. If a fight sells 375k and makes money it's better than a fight selling 900k and breaking even or even losing money. If you win a basketball game 45-25, you still won. If you score 175 points and still lose, who gives a flying ****, do you understand now? No one cares about the amount of people who buys, it's the profit that was made. I could care less if I sell 1 car a year if I made 100k off that car, if someone other guy is selling 100k cars and only makes 1k I'm the much better sales person, amount means nothing.