Jermain Taylor: I'll never lose to another white boy.

[junior gong]

ya but its not im not saying what he said is ok but can we please get away from the ya but if it were a white person that said it blah blah bs

Its not BS though, is it? Its a fair point.

[billeau2]

I didn't say its not offensive, I said im not offended by it. It doesn't affect me if Taylor is a racist or if he says racist ****, I just think hes an idiot for it. Im not going to go on some crusade saying he offended me and he shouldn't be able to fight or some **** like that, **** him.

To answer your question though if I was black and some random guy said ****** on social media I would feel the same way, I wouldn't be offended id just think he was an idiot, same as I do now.

I get the point youre trying to make I think about people being over sensitive about things people say these days and I agree, people are too sensitive and look for a reason to blow things out of proportion but as for Taylor he was being racist and just like ****** is offensive to some black people, white boy in a certain context is offensive to some white people.

I agree with most of what you say. I disagree that if you were an African American specifically (I do not know how thngs are across the pond) you would not find the use of the N word from a boxer offensive.

The thing is HOW one is offended. If you look at Lenny Bruce, he showed that language can have a tremendous viscerial effect on people. Some words really can cause one a change in temper in blood pressure. Calling a black person the N word is an example of this.

The other way people are offended is to try to make language ethical, fair, and to try to make language conform to their agenda. ******* white America is a great example of that process. When I was a teacher in San Francisco I was in the gym and a few guys were horsing around, one guy....innocently enough called another kid a "***1t." Just so happened a gay teacher was in the vicinity and wanted to have this kid suspended. Man...if I had a nickel for every time, while going through high school I used that word...and I was taught to hold my first son properly when he was born by his gay godfather....If you get my drift, ie I have love for my gay brothers and sisters.

See in this case, language become dangerous and a means for people to exerscize power and control over others....I managed, and literally almost came to blows with that teacher in so doing, to get the kid off with a warning. If people decide to make a term like "white boy" a way to label someone a vile rascist, equivalent to using words like the N word, etc....It will soon become a means to control. thats what happens. Me? I would rather just accept the fact that unless it is manufactured most Caucasians do not have a visceral reaction to being called a white boy and the term has been used descriptvely more often that in a rascist context. There is ample evidence that Taylor, despite his obvious problems, was using the term tongue in cheek to ape Bernard Hopkins.

[billeau2]

This makes no sense....he got knocked out by three of them.

There is ample evidence that he was joking and aping Hopkins use of the same term. As mentally unsound as Jermaine appears, vis a vis looking ******ed a bit included, he may well still be capable of humor. One can only hope that his sense of humor extends to when he has a firearm available....

[titan m]

You might feel differently. Different outlook on a lot of things. Not saying you would lose sleep but perspective is an interesting thing.

If youre saying if I was black id feel different I don't think I would, some people let trivial things bother them and some don't, its about how a person views things individually not about race. Do you think all black people are offended when a racist white guy says ******? I don't think they are, some will make it out to be a big deal and some will laugh it off and just say the guys an idiot because it really makes no difference to them, it depends on the person.

As a matter of fact ill give you an example of it now, im a white guy that lives in a mostly black neighborhood and have conversations about this type of **** sometimes with my black friends, usually when something like this makes the news and we joke about it because its just some idiot saying ****** stuff, its no big deal, like that Sterling/Clippers ****, my black friends weren't offended by that, they just laughed and said this crazy old bastard lost his mind.

[New England]

i really hope those are blanks in that rifle...

[titan m]

I agree with most of what you say. I disagree that if you were an African American specifically (I do not know how thngs are across the pond) you would not find the use of the N word from a boxer offensive.

The thing is HOW one is offended. If you look at Lenny Bruce, he showed that language can have a tremendous viscerial effect on people. Some words really can cause one a change in temper in blood pressure. Calling a black person the N word is an example of this.

The other way people are offended is to try to make language ethical, fair, and to try to make language conform to their agenda. ******* white America is a great example of that process. When I was a teacher in San Francisco I was in the gym and a few guys were horsing around, one guy....innocently enough called another kid a "***1t." Just so happened a gay teacher was in the vicinity and wanted to have this kid suspended. Man...if I had a nickel for every time, while going through high school I used that word...and I was taught to hold my first son properly when he was born by his gay godfather....If you get my drift, ie I have love for my gay brothers and sisters.

See in this case, language become dangerous and a means for people to exerscize power and control over others....I managed, and literally almost came to blows with that teacher in so doing, to get the kid off with a warning. If people decide to make a term like "white boy" a way to label someone a vile rascist, equivalent to using words like the N word, etc....It will soon become a means to control. thats what happens. Me? I would rather just accept the fact that unless it is manufactured most Caucasians do not have a visceral reaction to being called a white boy and the term has been used descriptvely more often that in a rascist context. There is ample evidence that Taylor, despite his obvious problems, was using the term tongue in cheek to ape Bernard Hopkins.

Im not across the pond im in Canada but that's not important, we can go back and forth all day about this but really what it comes down to is what offends a certain person and everybody is different. I doubt many black people are overjoyed when they hear somebody say ****** but some don't care as much as others if its just a racist showing his colors and is no threat to anybody but some will go over the top like its the end of the world, you will get the same thing with white people as well. Some white people will be offended by white boy in a certain context like I said before, you might think they shouldn't but its a fact that some will even though you might not understand why or agree. If Taylor was joking and playing off what Hopkins he should realize not everybody would realize that over twitter, maybe if he said it jokingly in an interview it would go over better.

[- Ram Raid -]

And what? . . . . . .There is no scientific or biological basis for what we term 'race'. It's a purely social construct. So when we racially recognise other people, it's not just a case of simply reading racial meanings off of their skin, rather we're inscribing those meanings onto their very bodies. Now that in itself is quite a violent practice, but here's the thing.

Racial ascriptions differ. We are forced into very different subject positions according to the pigment of our skin. So whilst the opposite of Jermain's quip may bring with it all the weight of the degrading and dehumanising stereotypes that have ever been used as a means to justify historical and contemporary acts of subjugation, being called a 'white boy' in the dominant discourse carries virtually no negative connotations. None.

It may have been re-articulated by certain sections of Black America to assume the meanings of nerdiness, physical weakness, and having a lack of sexual prowess. But, that was in response to racist ideologies that posit Black males as violent and hyper-sexualised and as having a particular association to the body at the expense of the mind. So, that re-articulation isn't a very effective way to counter racism because it unwittingly plays to its opposite negative stereotypes.

So as a 'white boy' there is no real offence here. Just a man being childish.

[- Ram Raid -]

i really hope those are blanks in that rifle...

Celebratory *******: the bane of wedding guests!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2621540/Wedding-turns-tragedy-celebration-*******-leaves-one-person-dead-two-injured-stray-bullets-Saudi-Arabian-ceremony.html

I saw this lunacy happen in Greece. I went straight indoors.

[M.I Truth ?]

If youre saying if I was black id feel different I don't think I would, some people let trivial things bother them and some don't, its about how a person views things individually not about race. Do you think all black people are offended when a racist white guy says ******? I don't think they are, some will make it out to be a big deal and some will laugh it off and just say the guys an idiot because it really makes no difference to them, it depends on the person.

As a matter of fact ill give you an example of it now, im a white guy that lives in a mostly black neighborhood and have conversations about this type of **** sometimes with my black friends, usually when something like this makes the news and we joke about it because its just some idiot saying ****** stuff, its no big deal, like that Sterling/Clippers ****, my black friends weren't offended by that, they just laughed and said this crazy old bastard lost his mind.

Again its a perspective thing. I'm not saying you would be bothered to the point of anger or even pay the situation much attention. Certain things might just rub you the wrong way. The stuff Kovalev said rubbed me the wrong way when I read the translation. It doesn't mean I dwelled on it or gave it much after thought. In fact I'm going to his fight next month. The perspective of someone who does not understand why his comments rubbed me the wrong way tells them it must be his use of the term "negro". It actually has nothing to do with that. People who are having a casual conversation with you about things like Sterlings comments is just that, a casual conversation. Its not surprising to most that a man that age from that perspective would hold racist views. There will be times when things are said that incite a reaction depending on perspective. Your world view would probably be a little different if you were born of a different race as would mine. My point is what seems trivial to you now might irk you if you had a different perspective.

[El_Feroz82]

IMO he's just hyping the fight.....and by the amount of posts it seems to be working....but you never know, this guys been KTFO bad three times and might be genuinely unstable.

Didn't like being force fed him by HBO years ago before he fought Bernard and don't really respect his title reign that much....just hated to have to watch him and Dawson taking up fight dates on HBO and developed kind of a rage at them for ruining my Saturdays....ok rant averted(barely)

I think it would be a blessing for Jermain to lose this UD, cause he's going to get hurt by someone with any sort of punch