Disecting Floyd's "health comes first" statements.

[IMDAZED]

No. He said that he would let Floyd be the LEAD promoter. Not that he's going to let Floyd promote it by himself.

Great -- send that link though. Hopefully he doesn't change his mind. And hopefully he's telling the truth since Espinoza basically said there have been no conversations between Showtime and HBO. Wouldn't surprise me. I remember when Arum swore he was talking to GBP and then when the countdown was over he admitted he hadn't spoken to anyone but the network smh.

[bigfo0t]

I explained how bad you kids take that quote of of context and the rest of your bolded post is related to the 2nd quote from the TS.

Dont you remember, fight Pac cause testing is for cowards

It was never about "testing is for cowards", it was about using testing demands as a roadblock that was seen as cowardly. Roach called it as it was and he was right, after the testing was agreed to, what do we get? More roadblocks.

[Fetta]

It was never about "testing is for cowards", it was about using testing demands as a roadblock that was seen as cowardly. Roach called it as it was and he was right, after the testing was agreed to, what do we get? More roadblocks.

If you say so

[MRCHOKEaMF]

It was never about "testing is for cowards", it was about using testing demands as a roadblock that was seen as cowardly. Roach called it as it was and he was right, after the testing was agreed to, what do we get? More roadblocks.

So you guys think testing is for cowards, but after JMM put manny nite nite, manny started testing but then the rules changed when manny started doing tests.....huh, Paulie said it as clear as possible, Manny doesnt look explosive when theres PED testing. Boxers know more about boxing than internet fanboys. Truth, and Manny hasnt had a KO since 2009, hes lost twice and looked like its near the end of the road. People hate being fooled, they hate to admit someone pulled one over their head but if you look at it unbiased, Manny cheated on his family why wouldnt he cheat for the amount of money being offered he was. He will forever be labeled a cheater, He turned down record money to avoid a drug test. How many people turn down 15/hr jobs if they are clean? this man passed on atleast 40mil when hes supposedly clean

[Dr Rumack]

And what do you know, they were both tested.

And after Floyd fought Cotto in 2012, Lampley asked him about the possibility of finally facing Pacquiao. Floyd instantly started stuttering and repeating "he needs to take the test" by way of an answer.

As Lampley pointed out, Pacquiao's team had long-since agreed to unrestricted testing at this point. All it ever was for Floyd was a slogan to justify his not wanting to fight a dangerous opponent. A PR move to counter the *******s of abuse he was getting for a blatant duck.

The slogan fooled nobody except those who wanted to be fooled.

[IMDAZED]

And after Floyd fought Cotto in 2012, Lampley asked him about the possibility of finally facing Pacquiao. Floyd instantly started stuttering and repeating "he needs to take the test" by way of an answer.

As Lampley pointed out, Pacquiao's team had long-since agreed to unrestricted testing at this point. All it ever was for Floyd was a slogan to justify his not wanting to fight a dangerous opponent. A PR move to counter the *******s of abuse he was getting for a blatant duck.

The slogan fooled nobody except those who wanted to be fooled.

Long agreed with who? Even according to your post it took two years at least.

[Fetta]

Long agreed with who? Even according to your post it took two years at least.

The first time they ever truly agreed was the infamous Arum conference call where Montoya got kicked off for asking about testing right before JMM 3. Arum kicked him off and said something like "we agree to take any random tests" and ALL the writers on the call ran with it cause it was the first time they had heard that. The next day or day after is when Floyd called Pac with the 40 mil offer

[Ray*]

Long agreed with who? Even according to your post it took two years at least.

They agreed with themselves lol, fact was when they sat around the table Team Pacquaio refuse testing and went out to fight Clottey. They can agree all they want in the media to all these idiots but they aren't fooling anyone with a brain cell... "I would fight for free" but oh I want 50-50..

[IMDAZED]

They agreed with themselves lol, fact was when they sat around the table Team Pacquaio refuse testing and went out to fight Clottey. They can agree all they want in the media to all these idiots but they aren't fooling anyone with a brain cell... "I would fight for free" but oh I want 50-50..

LOL. Then they wonder why Floyd was still talking about testing. Because as far as he knew, nothing was agreed upon. Someone should've called Floyd and said, "haven't you heard? Manny told Elie testing is 'no longer an issue.' We're all good now, Floyd."

[bigfo0t]

So you guys think testing is for cowards, but after JMM put manny nite nite, manny started testing but then the rules changed when manny started doing tests.....huh, Paulie said it as clear as possible, Manny doesnt look explosive when theres PED testing. Boxers know more about boxing than internet fanboys. Truth, and Manny hasnt had a KO since 2009, hes lost twice and looked like its near the end of the road. People hate being fooled, they hate to admit someone pulled one over their head but if you look at it unbiased, Manny cheated on his family why wouldnt he cheat for the amount of money being offered he was. He will forever be labeled a cheater, He turned down record money to avoid a drug test. How many people turn down 15/hr jobs if they are clean? this man passed on atleast 40mil when hes supposedly clean

I never said I "think testing is for cowards". I said using it as a roadblock for possibly the biggest $ fight ever was seen as cowardly, especially considering that after it was agreed to, Floyd just threw up more roadblocks and excuses.

Look, I am not this huge Manny fan you assume I am. I am a fight fan first and foremost (boxing, mma, any combat sport). I was not upset when Manny got KO'd, it was EXCITING to me. It revived my hope that boxing may not be totally corrupt and anything truly can happen on any given night (under the right circumstances of course).

I know that PED use in competitive sports is more prevalent than ever before and there are many "designer drugs" that can't even be detected by the strictest testing methods. I wouldn't be surprised if PAC was doping as I pretty much assume EVERYONE is doping nowadays. So to me it's pretty much like the pot calling the kettle black, it's the fact that he used that as a roadblock that is the issue here.