Comments Thread For: Artur Beterbiev Batters Tavoris Cloud For 2nd Round KO

[Weebler I]

Spence literally beat the living hell out of Cruz and has a much better resume than Beterbiev....With the exception of a washed up Cloud, Beterbiev has been fighting guys with 16-25 records...and he only has 6 fights...

I didn't include Thurman because he isn't really a prospect anymore.....Where as Verdejo, Spence, and Gilberto Ramirez could still be labeled prospects...

You're missing the point, Cruz is shit and Spence isn't going to be what he's hyped to be.

It won't be long before Ramirez is Froch's mandatory so we'll see what he's made of too.

[The Hammer]

The only reason Cloud was even remotely considered an "elite" fighter is because 175 is so blatantly awful....But that being said he should have had 3 back to back losses before the fight against Beterbiev (Campillo, Hopkins, and Adonis) and was beyond shot.....

I've noticed whenever East European boxers do well in a division, certain people start saying the division is "awful".

What's "awful" is doing that.

Cruz has never been KO'ed or down in his entire career....Spence laid one of the worst beatings on him that didn't end in a knockout I have ever seen.

Tavoris Cloud had never been knocked down in his entire career, Beterbiev put him down three times in round one.

Cruz was coming off a loss and had more losses on his record than Cloud. Unlike Cloud, he never had a world title. Spence couldn't knock him down or stop him. Yet you praise Spence, and discredit Beterbiev.

Stop going by double standards.

[Mikhnienko]

No there isn't any correlation....Their are tons of Eastern Euro guys with little/no/average power and their are tons of other fighters with great power....Hell the guy with the best 1 punch power at 175 is still Adonis Stevenson....A black Haitan. His straight left is still the best punch in that division.

And alot of Eastern Euro guys who have super impressive KO ratios simply haven't fought any noteworthy competition....It's not that hard to rack up tons of KO's fighting bums....Lets seem them actually fight someone with a pulse first before we go crazy about them...

Their fights against Cloud disprove that claim.

Lol no....The best fighters are still Americans or Mexicans and it will probably always be that way...Deal with it

I live in NYC (which has a large population of Russians and Blacks) and to say the average Slavic "Russian" is to strong for a Black American is bull...Your average Black American has a stronger more mesomorphic build than you average Slavic Russian at least where I live in NYC they do...Maybe this isn't true in other places, but in NYC it is true on average...

That being said, Chechens tend to be very strong. They have stronger builds on average than Slavic Russians and tend to be mesomorphic....I still don't think they can compare on average to Black Americans or Polynesians/Samoans through...

Most people labelled as "Russians" in NYC are in fact just Russian speakers a great deal of them ***ish. Ethnic Russians make up a small percentage of the Russian speaking population in New York.

Also every strength related/measuring sporting event would offer overwhelming contrary evidence to your claim just look at the history of Olympic weight lifting America is a non factor and of the Americans who have won medals only one is a Black American the other dozen or so are Slavic, Greek or ***ish Americans.

[LomaUsykKlichko]

I've noticed whenever East European boxers do well in a division, certain people start saying the division is "awful".

What's "awful" is doing that.

Tavoris Cloud had never been knocked down in his entire career, Beterbiev put him down three times in round one.

Cruz was coming off a loss and had more losses on his record than Cloud. Unlike Cloud, he never had a world title. Spence couldn't knock him down or stop him. Yet you praise Spence, and discredit Beterbiev.

Stop going by double standards.

Thats what ive noticed too, as soon as GGG came on the scene Middleweight is awful,Kovalev and Beterbiev came Light Heavy is awful, Klitschko came on the scene Heavyweight is awful, I wont be surprised If Loma destroys everyone at featherweight their going to start calling it an awful division.

[Weebler I]

Thats what ive noticed too, as soon as GGG came on the scene Middleweight is awful,Kovalev and Beterbiev came Light Heavy is awful, Klitschko came on the scene Heavyweight is awful, I wont be surprised If Loma destroys everyone at featherweight their going to start calling it an awful division.

Rest assured, if Ward and the Dirrells weren't at 168lbs it would be labelled awful too, that's just how it goes unfortunately.

There generally has to be some good North American competition to sway people into rating a fighter or division. A lot of people even refused to rate Ward until he beat Dawson on the basis Froch and Kessler were Euros lol.

[The Hammer]

Beterviev beat a lot of good fighters in the amateurs:

KO'ed Kenny Egan (2nd round)
KO'ed Thabiso Mchunu (3rd round)
KO'ed Ismail Syllakh (2nd round)
KO'ed Abdelhafid Benchebla (4th round)
KO'ed Yunier Dorticos (1st round)

Beat Egor Mekhontsev - 24-18
Beat Oleksandr Usyk 12-10
Beat Sergey Kovalev twice
Beat Tervel Pulev - 38-22
Beat Abbos Atoev (who KOed Kovalev) - 17-7
Beat Darren O'Neill - 29-19
Beat Egor Mekhontsev - 42-29
Beat Ismail Silakh - 34-23

[LomaUsykKlichko]

Beterviev beat a lot of good fighters in the amateurs:

KO'ed Kenny Egan (2nd round)
KO'ed Thabiso Mchunu (3rd round)
KO'ed Ismail Syllakh (2nd round)
KO'ed Abdelhafid Benchebla (4th round)
KO'ed Yunier Dorticos (1st round)

Beat Egor Mekhontsev - 24-18
Beat Oleksandr Usyk 12-10
Beat Sergey Kovalev twice
Beat Tervel Pulev - 38-22
Beat Abbos Atoev (who KOed Kovalev) - 17-7
Beat Darren O'Neill - 29-19
Beat Egor Mekhontsev - 42-29
Beat Ismail Silakh - 34-23

I think he lost to Usyk at the 2011 World championship and the 2012 olympics

[The Hammer]

I think he lost to Usyk at the 2011 World championship and the 2012 olympics

True, but he also has that win over Usyk. All their fights were close and competitive.

But Beterbiev isn't a natural heavyweight, he only fought at 200 because Russia had Mekhontsev at light heavyweight.

[LomaUsykKlichko]

True, but he also has that win over Usyk. All their fights were close and competitive.

But Beterbiev isn't a natural heavyweight, he only fought at 200 because Russia had Mekhontsev at light heavyweight.

Well it just shows how good Usyk is I think Hes the future of the Heavyweight and Cruiserweight

[From Russia]

GGG koes Geale while beeing of balance - he is on ariza shakes doe!!!
Beterbiev koes Cloud - **** division doe!!!
Provodnikov beat the **** out of Bradley - Bradley decided to brawl doe!!!

and when you show them the amateur records of GGG or Beterbiev to prove that they are not unskilled brawler and they were also successeful in amateur boxing, where power means almost nothing and they won because of the skills, they say - but but amateur carrier dont count doe!!!