Comments Thread For: Pacquiao, Algieri Agree To VADA Random Drug Testing

[ThePrince]

Vada = 5(?) boxers caught
USADA= hundreds of athletes

You do the math!

Memo Heredia is on the record that he knows how to beat USADA testing, and he's proven it many times. Many of his high profile clients like Marion Jones were randomly tested by USADA dozens of times but never failed a single test.

[bigfo0t]

Again you cannot answer the question , why are pac fanboys so in denial , you havent got any common sense , fcking xylocain has been used in boxing training for fragile hands for a million years you dumb fck , we are talking about PEDS not something the equivalent of an Aspirin , fckn should be an age limit in here because you children are ruining the entire site with your BS hate .

Now for the third time , how can the worlds highest paid athlete and most vocal supporter of OST in boxing history have failed supposedly 3 PED tests and Reuters News knows nothing about it , how can that be that a fckn idiot kid on a forum knows but world mainstream media does not , answer it you coward .

Xylocaine is an anesthetic/pain killer and by definition a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG (PED) and it's BANNED in the sport of BOXING in 49 states. Only Nevada allows it because they need the revenue generated from Fraud Fairweather's fights. "Equivalent of an Aspirin?" Wow... and you call ME the dumb fck? Not wasting any more time on your ******ed ass, go back to school and learn how to not be a complete moron before calling other people dumb.

Also, learn how to argue like an educated adult and not an angry 16 year old fanboy before calling people out.

[Dealer]

Manny doing VADA while Floyd hires Alex Ariza. Classic.

[megadeth]

Memo Heredia is on the record that he knows how to beat USADA testing, and he's proven it many times. Many of his high profile clients like Marion Jones were randomly tested by USADA dozens of times but never failed a single test.

Here we go with the "he said it, so it must be true" again. Answer me this. Heredia was a part of the Balco scandal and he claims that he knows how to beat USADA testing, so why did NONE of the designer PED's in the scandal come from him? Know why? Cuz he is all talk, that's why. Conte contacted Patrick Arnold asking him to come up with the steroids that would be used. He came up with different steroids THG(the clear), norbolethone and desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) and synthesized them. Now, if Heredia was such a distinguished chemist with such an expertise in PED's and steroid synthesis, why didn't Conte go to him?

[ThePrince]

Here we go with the "he said it, so it must be true" again. Answer me this. Heredia was a part of the Balco scandal and he claims that he knows how to beat USADA testing, so why did NONE of the designer PED's in the scandal come from him? Know why? Cuz he is all talk, that's why. Conte contacted Patrick Arnold asking him to come up with the steroids that would be used. He came up with different steroids THG(the clear), norbolethone and desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) and synthesized them. Now, if Heredia was such a distinguished chemist with such an expertise in PED's and steroid synthesis, why didn't Conte go to him?

They don't seem to like one another on a personal level, that's probably the reason.

Still, none of what you posted changes the fact that Heredia's clients such as Marion Jones, who were later outed as chronic PED abusers, never failed a single USADA test. And then there's this:

"I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it's done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That's how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business."

"My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better."

"You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. That's the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast ***150; they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug "Epo Boost." I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten."

"There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don't excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I've created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers."

"I had one substance called actovison that increased blood circulation ***150; not detectable. That was good from a health standpoint and even better from a competitive standpoint. Then we had the growth factors IGF-1 and IGF-2. And epo. Epo increases the number of red blood cells and thus the transportation of oxygen, which is the key for every athlete: the athlete wants to recover quickly, keep the load at a constantly high level and achieve a constant performance."

"We have used creams that leave no trace and give the athlete a steadily higher testosterone levels."

"Yes, the only difference is the quality of the doping. Athletes with little money use simple steroids and hope they don't get tested. The stars earn 50,000 dollars a month, not including starting bonuses and shoe sponsorship contracts. The very best invest 100,000 dollars ***150; I'll then build you a designer drug that can't be detected."

"Designer drugs are composed of several different chemicals that trigger the desired reaction. At the end of the chain I change one or two molecules in such a way that the entire structure is undetectable for the doping testers."

-Memo Heredia in an interview with German News station Der Spiegel in 2008.

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[Foreign Soil]

Vada = 5(?) boxers caught
USADA= hundreds of athletes

You do the math!

Far fewer do VADA testing - there's your answer. And the number that do year round VADA testing could be counted on one hand. To suggest USADA is somehow better at testing is purely propaganda.

[megadeth]

They don't seem to like one another on a personal level, that's probably the reason.

Still, none of what you posted changes the fact that Heredia's clients such as Marion Jones, who were later outed as chronic PED abusers, never failed a single USADA test. And then there's this:

"I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it's done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That's how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business."

"My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better."

"You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. That's the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast ***150; they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug "Epo Boost." I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten."

"There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don't excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I've created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers."

"I had one substance called actovison that increased blood circulation ***150; not detectable. That was good from a health standpoint and even better from a competitive standpoint. Then we had the growth factors IGF-1 and IGF-2. And epo. Epo increases the number of red blood cells and thus the transportation of oxygen, which is the key for every athlete: the athlete wants to recover quickly, keep the load at a constantly high level and achieve a constant performance."

"We have used creams that leave no trace and give the athlete a steadily higher testosterone levels."

"Yes, the only difference is the quality of the doping. Athletes with little money use simple steroids and hope they don't get tested. The stars earn 50,000 dollars a month, not including starting bonuses and shoe sponsorship contracts. The very best invest 100,000 dollars ***150; I'll then build you a designer drug that can't be detected."

"Designer drugs are composed of several different chemicals that trigger the desired reaction. At the end of the chain I change one or two molecules in such a way that the entire structure is undetectable for the doping testers."

-Memo Heredia in an interview with German News station Der Spiegel in 2008.

That's the newest member of the money team

You didn't post anything new. I have read the article before and it seems you ignored the first line of my post "Here we go with the "he said it, so it must be true". Please show me ANY proof that Memo has synthesized or created anything undetectable, other than him saying he has. In fact, he was working with the same old things that others worked with. Fast acting testosterone cream, HGH, EPO, IGF1 & 2. If he had all these undetectable things he created why bother with those? The stuff he say in this article is pure nonsense. EVERYTHING said in here is regularly discussed on any hardcore BB board. Marion could've used all the things above and beat the tests at the time. It doesn't mean that she used anything that he created. Only in the last few years have they gotten better at detecting HGH and EPO. IGF-1 Des is still undetectable(im pretty sure).

I can tell u a few peptides (ghrp 2, ghrp 6, grf 1-29) that are virtually undetectable and readily available. Now, if I say I "came up with them", does that make it true?

[megadeth]

Far fewer do VADA testing - there's your answer. And the number that do year round VADA testing could be counted on one hand. To suggest USADA is somehow better at testing is purely propaganda.

Are you joking? If you have no dog in the fight and you look at credentials and there is one company that tests the US Olympic team for the last 15 yrs and caught countless athletes and another the company that came into existence in the last 5 that has caught less than 10 and has tested most likely less than 100x who would you choose?

Common sense would say that USADA would be better at administering testing from experience alone.

[beerbelly14]

megadeth holding this thread down pretty hard.

[megadeth]

megadeth holding this thread down pretty hard.

What can I say?....I love a good debate!