Comments Thread For: Arum: Mayweather - The Only Impediment in a Deal

[bigjavi973]

Again, he was saying he didn't want Arum involved. Manny never had to sign with TMT, Arum just had to not be involved, whether he took step aside money, or Floyd signed Manny, or Manny became a free agent, as long as Arum was out of the picture it was a go.

Secondly yes no one Floyd fought got a piece of the ppv revenue outside of Cotto, and even then the portion that Cotto got was nearly non existent. Canelo and Maidana got t.v. revenue from their own deals and i'm sure they got other incentives on their side, but Floyd pays for his opponents cut and he isn't giving any type of share.

"Manny can sign to mayweather promotions and get a couple of fights in" FMJ
Never??? So that was just for some type of showmanship right? smh

[rasdun]

ok it looks like you need a class lesson in history. Floyd was no where near the "star" that he is now when he fought de la hoya. But, he did get ppv revenue of that fight. That was canelo's 1st ppv. So an unproven ppv star gets chump change, sounds fair. and who is leading in the rivalry of jmm and pacquiao? Manny is the a side at that time cuz jmm lost his fights while manny won his.

Exactly!!!!

[Bronx2245]

how can you compare the situation though? Only Floyd Mayweather and Oscar dela Hoya have done better on pay per view over the past 15 years then Manny Pacquiao. Obviously, Mayweather should get a bigger cut of the revenue, but for him to say that that pac needs to leave his promoter, that is a huge impediment. When top-rank did it, it was not for such a big fight with such a big public demand. Here this is a fight fans have wanted for 5 yrs for a number of reasons. Really how can you compare the situation here to say pac Givin JMM a 3rd fight. JMM was not a ppv headliner at all at that point.

Floyd had to leave Arum to get Oscar. Cotto had to leave Arum to get Floyd. Chavez Jr. will have to leave Arum to get GGG or Canelo. Rigo had to leave Arum to get Santa Cruz, basically everybody. Basically, if you are with Arum, you have to leave to get the top fighters, or extend with him until oblivion. Manny had a chance to leave, he didn't and now he's fighting Algeri vice Mayweather, Khan, Canelo, etc.

[bigjavi973]

Floyd had to leave Arum to get Oscar. Cotto had to leave Arum to get Floyd. Chavez Jr. will have to leave Arum to get GGG or Canelo. Rigo had to leave Arum to get Santa Cruz, basically everybody. Basically, if you are with Arum, you have to leave to get the top fighters, or extend with him until oblivion. Manny had a chance to leave, he didn't and now he's fighting Algeri vice Mayweather, Khan, Canelo, etc.

Come on man, we all know that floyd should have fought cotto after hatton in late 2008. The plan was to get cotto-margarito and the winner fight floydie. oh wait, he "retired".

[rasdun]

Take the test is an "excuse" ? Well how do you explain Manny now asking his opponents to take a test.

Take less money . . again why is this an "excuse", Floyd is the A side, he calls the shots, it's that simple, Manny is not on his level, period. Roy Jones did it, Oscar did it, Cotto does it. So what's the problem, the A side makes more money, this is common.

Leave Bob Arum . . Would you conduct business with a man that still owes you millions and has publicly called for boycotts of your product and compared you to Hitler?

Sign on to Mayweather Promotions . . I've never heard of this, where you get this one from.

He has Marquez problems is not an "excuse", it is a fact. After four fights there isn't one you can point to and say Manny won convincingly.

He has gotten KO'd is not an "excuse", it is a fact. He has been knocked out by JMM, Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo.

He has tax problems . .Again, not an "excuse" this is a fact.

Showtime gets the fight . . Read what I said about who the A side is, Floyd calls the shots not because he's a prick but because he's in the boss chair and has the power to, simple.

FMP is the lead promoter . . we're back to who the A side is.

There's something that you're simply in denial of, Manny Pacquiao is not in the position to negotiate with Floyd, he has no cards, he's been brutally knocked out, he has no opponents left to fight under Top Rank and that's why he's facing vanilla soft opposition like Algieri, a fight he will get no credit for. Floyd on the other hand can keep raking in millions and facing the tougher opponents like Garcia, Thurman, Matthysse, Khan, etc . .

Manny must do what Floyd demands, not because Floyd is a meanie but because Manny is in no position to talk back, his career is sliding.

Wow. Just cuz he had close fights and a loss with jmm- that's not an excuse? Losses to other fighters is only brought up for pac, not mosely, jmm, maidana, etc. Just cuz floyds the a side doesn't mean he calls every shot there are different levels of b sides. Pac is an a side in every other fight, see the difference. May hasn't hit a million ppv buys in 3 of 4 fights. Any doubt may pac still does 2.5?

[rasdun]

Floyd had to leave Arum to get Oscar. Cotto had to leave Arum to get Floyd. Chavez Jr. will have to leave Arum to get GGG or Canelo. Rigo had to leave Arum to get Santa Cruz, basically everybody. Basically, if you are with Arum, you have to leave to get the top fighters, or extend with him until oblivion. Manny had a chance to leave, he didn't and now he's fighting Algeri vice Mayweather, Khan, Canelo, etc.

Chavez didn't have to leave, exactly the opposite. Fight wit ggg didn't happen bc he didn't sign an extension. But anyway, that's a bad example triple G is a great fighter but not a tremendous draw on pay per view

[elishua F]

Might as well get all your opponents to take a test, since thats the only wait he could get a fight with floydie, right?

"Floyd is the A side", oh im sorry, who "retired" and who kept on fighting and winning?

Arum doesnt owe him anything, floyd took him to court and arum countersued and it was settled, next excuse.

Damn bro you are dumb? So you actually never heard floyd say that? Wow, just stop posting.

If pacquiao has marquez problems, maidana has alexander and khan problems and khan has garcia problems, FACT!

Fact is, that what you spewed here shows your idioticy and love for floydie.

You didn't really answer anything I posted, you sound quite butt hurt to say the least. I thought this was going to be a good debate. " So you actually never heard floyd say that?" does not in any way answer my question. Seems I hammered too much facts in one post and overwhelmed you, I'm sorry.

[rasdun]

Take the test is an "excuse" ? Well how do you explain Manny now asking his opponents to take a test.

Take less money . . again why is this an "excuse", Floyd is the A side, he calls the shots, it's that simple, Manny is not on his level, period. Roy Jones did it, Oscar did it, Cotto does it. So what's the problem, the A side makes more money, this is common.

Leave Bob Arum . . Would you conduct business with a man that still owes you millions and has publicly called for boycotts of your product and compared you to Hitler?

Sign on to Mayweather Promotions . . I've never heard of this, where you get this one from.

He has Marquez problems is not an "excuse", it is a fact. After four fights there isn't one you can point to and say Manny won convincingly.

He has gotten KO'd is not an "excuse", it is a fact. He has been knocked out by JMM, Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo.

He has tax problems . .Again, not an "excuse" this is a fact.

Showtime gets the fight . . Read what I said about who the A side is, Floyd calls the shots not because he's a prick but because he's in the boss chair and has the power to, simple.

FMP is the lead promoter . . we're back to who the A side is.

There's something that you're simply in denial of, Manny Pacquiao is not in the position to negotiate with Floyd, he has no cards, he's been brutally knocked out, he has no opponents left to fight under Top Rank and that's why he's facing vanilla soft opposition like Algieri, a fight he will get no credit for. Floyd on the other hand can keep raking in millions and facing the tougher opponents like Garcia, Thurman, Matthysse, Khan, etc . .

Manny must do what Floyd demands, not because Floyd is a meanie but because Manny is in no position to talk back, his career is sliding.

Just bc something is true doesn't mean it's not an excuse. Tax problems and prior losses should have no impact on making the fight so why bring it up unless your making excuses?

[The Big Dunn]

Boxing cold war, no GBP fighters where fighting top rank fighters. But they never publicly went and said, you must leave your promoter.

of course they did, that's why it happened. It isn't making as much noise on NSB because posters like you didn't consider it a "roadblock" then because 1-manny was doing the asking and 2-shane and JMM said yes without a problem.

If the act truly was a"roadblock"-it would be one in every situation. Its only one when Manny is involved. which leads any reasonable person to conclude he is the problem, not the request.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Manny fcked up when he resigned with arum...


Cotto literally laid out the exact blueprint as to leave top rank, get a Floyd fight, but still be able to do business with top rank, and now cotto is gonna land a canelo fight... Manny should have followed his footsteps and became a free agent, he could fight Floyd, Maidana, broner, but still be able to fight Marquez, mikey, ruslan...
Too bad manny is not bright enough to become a free agent