Comments Thread For: Arum: Mayweather - The Only Impediment in a Deal

[bigjavi973]

It was more than good, it was great.

You must not know how it works, the A side takes the lions share and the B side takes whatever they are given within reason. Floyd did it when he was in the biggest fight ever with Oscar. He took 25 mil while Oscar got 60 plus mil on top of PPV money and Floyd didn't complain.

Canelo made crumbs compared to Floyd for their fight and while he got revenue from Mexican broadcast I don't believe he got a ppv cut and he didn't complain either.

What makes it more hilarious is that JMM who has built his drawing power and put Manny into a coma, asked for a larger split and Manny whined about being the A side Hahaha!

ok it looks like you need a class lesson in history. Floyd was no where near the "star" that he is now when he fought de la hoya. But, he did get ppv revenue of that fight. That was canelo's 1st ppv. So an unproven ppv star gets chump change, sounds fair. and who is leading in the rivalry of jmm and pacquiao? Manny is the a side at that time cuz jmm lost his fights while manny won his.

[bigjavi973]

Whats funny is that none of what Floyd has asked was a problem for any of his other opponents. They just wanted to fight him, and Floyd has gone on to set record after records and Manny has.....well.......

WHAT? when was the last time he asked someone to join mayweather promotions and get a couple of fights in just to fight him? When was the last time the other fighter didnt get ppv revenue? Before pacquiao, when was the last time he demanded the drug testing that pacquiao was asked to go through?

[bigjavi973]

Manny is not in a position to ask Floyd to leave. Manny and his team have asked fighters that do not generate as much as he did to leave their promoter as a condition of getting a manny fight. No one called these requests roadblocks. So when Floyd and his team ask a fighter that does not generate as much as he did to leave their promoter as a condition of getting a Floyd fight, it is troubling to now call this a "roadblock". Biased double standard.

In recap-you asked for an example of Bob being an impediment- I gave that to you and then you said "uh I'm talking about now". Then when I point out that you and virtually no one on NSB said "asking a potential opponent to leave their promoter" was not a "roadblock", you give an "if ..." scenario rather than talk about what actually happened.

The only way Floyd is an impediment is that he isn't giving bob and Manny what manny wants to make a fight.

thats right floyd is the A side doe

[elishua F]

List of excuses floyd has used (since 2009-present):
Take the test
Take less money
Leave bob arum
Sign on to mayweather promotions
He has marquez problems
He has gotten ko'd
He has tax problems
Showtime gets the fight
FMP is the lead promoter

and there are videos of floyd interviews of him completely dodging the questions about pacquiao. Also, there's a video of floyd basically explaining his reasoning why he thinks pacquiao is juicing. There's no way I can believe a hypocrite like floydie.

Take the test is an "excuse" ? Well how do you explain Manny now asking his opponents to take a test.

Take less money . . again why is this an "excuse", Floyd is the A side, he calls the shots, it's that simple, Manny is not on his level, period. Roy Jones did it, Oscar did it, Cotto does it. So what's the problem, the A side makes more money, this is common.

Leave Bob Arum . . Would you conduct business with a man that still owes you millions and has publicly called for boycotts of your product and compared you to Hitler?

Sign on to Mayweather Promotions . . I've never heard of this, where you get this one from.

He has Marquez problems is not an "excuse", it is a fact. After four fights there isn't one you can point to and say Manny won convincingly.

He has gotten KO'd is not an "excuse", it is a fact. He has been knocked out by JMM, Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo.

He has tax problems . .Again, not an "excuse" this is a fact.

Showtime gets the fight . . Read what I said about who the A side is, Floyd calls the shots not because he's a prick but because he's in the boss chair and has the power to, simple.

FMP is the lead promoter . . we're back to who the A side is.

There's something that you're simply in denial of, Manny Pacquiao is not in the position to negotiate with Floyd, he has no cards, he's been brutally knocked out, he has no opponents left to fight under Top Rank and that's why he's facing vanilla soft opposition like Algieri, a fight he will get no credit for. Floyd on the other hand can keep raking in millions and facing the tougher opponents like Garcia, Thurman, Matthysse, Khan, etc . .

Manny must do what Floyd demands, not because Floyd is a meanie but because Manny is in no position to talk back, his career is sliding.

[rasdun]

Manny is not in a position to ask Floyd to leave. Manny and his team have asked fighters that do not generate as much as he did to leave their promoter as a condition of getting a manny fight. No one called these requests roadblocks. So when Floyd and his team ask a fighter that does not generate as much as he did to leave their promoter as a condition of getting a Floyd fight, it is troubling to now call this a "roadblock". Biased double standard.

In recap-you asked for an example of Bob being an impediment- I gave that to you and then you said "uh I'm talking about now". Then when I point out that you and virtually no one on NSB said "asking a potential opponent to leave their promoter" was not a "roadblock", you give an "if ..." scenario rather than talk about what actually happened.

The only way Floyd is an impediment is that he isn't giving bob and Manny what manny wants to make a fight.

how can you compare the situation though? Only Floyd Mayweather and Oscar dela Hoya have done better on pay per view over the past 15 years then Manny Pacquiao. Obviously, Mayweather should get a bigger cut of the revenue, but for him to say that that pac needs to leave his promoter, that is a huge impediment. When top-rank did it, it was not for such a big fight with such a big public demand. Here this is a fight fans have wanted for 5 yrs for a number of reasons. Really how can you compare the situation here to say pac Givin JMM a 3rd fight. JMM was not a ppv headliner at all at that point.

[The Big Dunn]

wasn't boxing at a "cold war" before this floyd "i dont do business with arum" stuff? both top rank and GBP wasnt fighting each other, kovalev vs hopkins proves it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...den-boy-battle

Yes it was. Again, since Manny refused the fight the 1st time I gave several things Bob did. I left out the comparisons to Hitler and Goebbels and other things that were not present when the initial deal was reached.

It comes down to 2 things

either you think Floyd can ask his opponents for the same requests Manny and his team have asked or you don't and

whether you called "asking a potential opponent to leave their promoter" a "roadblock" when Manny and his team made this request.

[Real Talk85]

WHAT? when was the last time he asked someone to join mayweather promotions and get a couple of fights in just to fight him? When was the last time the other fighter didnt get ppv revenue? Before pacquiao, when was the last time he demanded the drug testing that pacquiao was asked to go through?

Again, he was saying he didn't want Arum involved. Manny never had to sign with TMT, Arum just had to not be involved, whether he took step aside money, or Floyd signed Manny, or Manny became a free agent, as long as Arum was out of the picture it was a go.

Secondly yes no one Floyd fought got a piece of the ppv revenue outside of Cotto, and even then the portion that Cotto got was nearly non existent. Canelo and Maidana got t.v. revenue from their own deals and i'm sure they got other incentives on their side, but Floyd pays for his opponents cut and he isn't giving any type of share.

[bigjavi973]

Take the test is an "excuse" ? Well how do you explain Manny now asking his opponents to take a test.

Take less money . . again why is this an "excuse", Floyd is the A side, he calls the shots, it's that simple, Manny is not on his level, period. Roy Jones did it, Oscar did it, Cotto does it. So what's the problem, the A side makes more money, this is common.

Leave Bob Arum . . Would you conduct business with a man that still owes you millions and has publicly called for boycotts of your product and compared you to Hitler?

Sign on to Mayweather Promotions . . I've never heard of this, where you get this one from.

He has Marquez problems is not an "excuse", it is a fact. After four fights there isn't one you can point to and say Manny won convincingly.

He has gotten KO'd is not an "excuse", it is a fact. He has been knocked out by JMM, Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo.

He has tax problems . .Again, not an "excuse" this is a fact.

Showtime gets the fight . . Read what I said about who the A side is, Floyd calls the shots not because he's a prick but because he's in the boss chair and has the power to, simple.

FMP is the lead promoter . . we're back to who the A side is.

There's something that you're simply in denial of, Manny Pacquiao is not in the position to negotiate with Floyd, he has no cards, he's been brutally knocked out, he has no opponents left to fight under Top Rank and that's why he's facing vanilla soft opposition like Algieri, a fight he will get no credit for. Floyd on the other hand can keep raking in millions and facing the tougher opponents like Garcia, Thurman, Matthysse, Khan, etc . .

Manny must do what Floyd demands, not because Floyd is a meanie but because Manny is in no position to talk back, his career is sliding.

Might as well get all your opponents to take a test, since thats the only wait he could get a fight with floydie, right?

"Floyd is the A side", oh im sorry, who "retired" and who kept on fighting and winning?

Arum doesnt owe him anything, floyd took him to court and arum countersued and it was settled, next excuse.

Damn bro you are dumb? So you actually never heard floyd say that? Wow, just stop posting.

If pacquiao has marquez problems, maidana has alexander and khan problems and khan has garcia problems, FACT!

Fact is, that what you spewed here shows your idioticy and love for floydie.

[The Big Dunn]

how can you compare the situation though? Only Floyd Mayweather and Oscar dela Hoya have done better on pay per view over the past 15 years then Manny Pacquiao. Obviously, Mayweather should get a bigger cut of the revenue, but for him to say that that pac needs to leave his promoter, that is a huge impediment. When top-rank did it, it was not for such a big fight with such a big public demand. Here this is a fight fans have wanted for 5 yrs for a number of reasons. Really how can you compare the situation here to say pac Givin JMM a 3rd fight. JMM was not a ppv headliner at all at that point.

Its only an impediment if Manny makes it one. JMM and shane didn't make the request a "roadblock" while Manny has. Shane had to DIVEST IN OWNERSHIP in order to get the fight. Manny isn't even being asked to do that.

Manny does generate more than JMM and SHane. Floyd generates more than Manny, even though Manny has headlined PPV's. These points are not debatable.

SO it comes down to this-if you want the fight bad enough-like JMM and shane did-you take the necessary steps to make it happen. when you don't-the request isn't a "roadblock"-its your ego and sense of entitlement that are.

[bigjavi973]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...den-boy-battle

Yes it was. Again, since Manny refused the fight the 1st time I gave several things Bob did. I left out the comparisons to Hitler and Goebbels and other things that were not present when the initial deal was reached.

It comes down to 2 things

either you think Floyd can ask his opponents for the same requests Manny and his team have asked or you don't and

whether you called "asking a potential opponent to leave their promoter" a "roadblock" when Manny and his team made this request.

Boxing cold war, no GBP fighters where fighting top rank fighters. But they never publicly went and said, you must leave your promoter.