Comments Thread For: Broner Edging Closer To The Point of No One Cares

[Cinci Champ]

oh come on the guy entertains i admit im bias but i honestly dont see why that stuff makes people mad. Take his antics out of it if all boxers were like adrien boxing would be a better sport. Win lose or draw who calls out the machine i mean seriously did you see the haymon crews face when he did it again after the fight lol hahahahaha hes forcing their hand now. Hate all you guys want but honestly the guy is maturing and he showed nothing but complete respect to taylor after the fight. Its like people are trying to find reasons to hate broner

[StrangerInTown]

A man's character matters in this sport.
It's the element that separates the men from the pretending children of the ring, regardless of how gifted.
Taylor is ranked 13th and gave Broner all he wanted even though the verdict was not especially close.
Taylor has character.
So does Crawford, Garcia, Lucas and yes.. Mr. Maidana.

The hangman is approaching and the Argentinian strongman could easily extinguish the remaining flame of false hope Mr. Broner now clings to.

[toyboy33]

A man's character matters in this sport.
It's the element that separates the men from the pretending children of the ring, regardless of how gifted.
Taylor is ranked 13th and gave Broner all he wanted even though the verdict was not especially close.
Taylor has character.
So does Crawford, Garcia, Lucas and yes.. Mr. Maidana.

The hangman is approaching and the Argentinian strongman could easily extinguish the remaining flame of false hope Mr. Broner now clings to.

Broner has tons of character. Its just of the sort you can't stomach so you hate on intangible things that mean nothing to his ability to fight.

[SUBZER0ED]

My bet is the end all to people who say are 100% convinced and will argue to the ends of the earth why they are 100% convinced. But the fact is, no one is or they would take my easy $25. Actually some people are because what I heard was people lost a ton of money betting on Hatton for the Pac fight. I'm not sure if anyone lost their house when Hatton told them to bet their houses and as far-fetched as that would seem, it would not surprise me if it actually happened, knowing how far people can go when they are emotional about something. I would overall doubt someone bet their house but people have lost everything they own to ********.

My bet brings people back down to earth when they realize there is no sure winner. Of course I'm uncertain who wins this fight, that's why I am not offering an equal bet. Regarding the Garcia fight, Matthysee landed some BOMBS on Garcia and he took them without even staggering. That is something almost no one thought would happen. The person who is not biased for whatever reasons and has an open mind, can see a number of outcomes to most big matchups.

The easiest way to tell when someone is unbiased to an extent is when they can develop 2-3 scenarios/outcomes for solid matchups. I have been Broner's #1 critic. No one, and I mean no one can top me there. But I can also analyze outside of my emotions......not too many people here can do that. They are TOO emotionally charged for, or against a certain fighter or fighters. Logic is often hard to find in the chambers of the human heart. That's what professional, wealthy gamblers prey on.......that others will bet with their heart. They rarely bet that way. Some people would love nothing more than to see Broner or other fighters get knocked out and that's when the heart overrules logic......not always a good thing. Not saying you do it, but many do.

My opinion of Broner the boxer is based on what I have seen of him in the ring. I won't discuss what I think of Broner the young man in this post. At the lighter weights, he is very strong. At WW, he doesn't bring his power. At LWW, he appears to be on par with others in the division (power-wise), though we haven't seen him fight a top LWW yet. He's really a pumped-up little man. Of late, I have noticed his occassional lack of activity, which leaves him vulnerable to attack. He is also easy to hit, in that he doesn't move his head or feet very well. He also gets himself cornered at times. He's not really a counter-puncher. What's left is a flashy fighter who has fast hands and decent power, when he lets those hands go. A busier, strong fighter who seizes the moment can beat him. Can you imagine him vs John Molina? He's clearly not as stylish and polished as Broner, but he's a beast!

[richardt]

My opinion of Broner the boxer is based on what I have seen of him in the ring. I won't discuss what I think of Broner the young man in this post. At the lighter weights, he is very strong. At WW, he doesn't bring his power. At LWW, he appears to be on par with others in the division (power-wise), though we haven't seen him fight a top LWW yet. Of late, I have noticed his occassional lack of activity, which leaves him vulnerable to attack. He is also easy to hit, in that he doesn't move his head or feet very well. He also gets himself cornered at times. He's not really a counter-puncher. What's left is a flashy fighter who has fast hands and decent power, when he lets those hands go. A busier, strong fighter who seizes the moment can beat him.

I also see in Broner a fighter who when he puts his punches together in combination, is quite a fighter. His reflexes are excellent and he is very fast. And Matthysee is not exactly hard to hit. And even Maidana acknowledged that Broner has some pop. At 140 he shows more power by at least dropping Taylor, unlike his run at 47. Broner's skills are obvious and this is a fight either guy could win. A busier, stronger fighter could beat him, or lose to him. Like I said every fight creates a new set of dynamics and no one would be shocked if either guys wins. As soon as everyone starts overestimating or underestimating certain fighters, the tide often changes. I wont let my opinion of Broner's personality/attitude cloud the fact that he is a talented/skilled fighter who is quite capable of winning the fight, as is Matthysee.

[Free Booty Dew!]

I also see in Broner a fighter who when he puts his punches together in combination, is quite a fighter. His reflexes are excellent and he is very fast. And Matthysee is not exactly hard to hit. And even Maidana acknowledged that Broner has some pop. At 140 he shows more power by at least dropping Taylor, unlike his run at 47. Broner's skills are obvious and this is a fight either guy could win. A busier, stronger fighter could beat him, or lose to him. Like I said every fight creates a new set of dynamics and no one would be shocked if either guys wins. As soon as everyone starts overestimating or underestimating certain fighters, the tide often changes. I wont let my opinion of Broner's personality/attitude cloud the fact that he is a talented/skilled fighter.

No they're not, not at all lol.

He does have fast hands though I'll give you that.

[richardt]

No they're not, not at all lol. He does have fast hands though I'll give you that.

They are. Just making it into the top 100 of a division takes solid reflexes. He is not as mobile as he should be and he has lapses but when he decides to use his reflexes, he gets hit less. Eventually he will rely more on them as he comes down to earth and realizes that it takes serious focus, not just showboating to stay in the game. He has room for improvement.

[SUBZER0ED]

I also see in Broner a fighter who when he puts his punches together in combination, is quite a fighter. His reflexes are excellent and he is very fast. And Matthysee is not exactly hard to hit. And even Maidana acknowledged that Broner has some pop. At 140 he shows more power by at least dropping Taylor, unlike his run at 47. Broner's skills are obvious and this is a fight either guy could win. A busier, stronger fighter could beat him, or lose to him. Like I said every fight creates a new set of dynamics and no one would be shocked if either guys wins. As soon as everyone starts overestimating or underestimating certain fighters, the tide often changes. I wont let my opinion of Broner's personality/attitude cloud the fact that he is a talented/skilled fighter who is quite capable of winning the fight, as is Matthysee.

I guess the only thing left to do at this point is wait and see how he develops. Good debate, bro'.

[richardt]

I guess the only thing left to do at this point is wait and see how he develops. Good debate, bro'.

I like to keep it real. To me, Bernstein and Atlas and others always do a keys to victory and that is what I wish more fans would do but then bias comes in and it is hard to see both guys and how if each one implements their keys to victory, they stand a better chance at making a great fight and whoever imposes his keys to victory more, wins the fight. So many times fans get blinded by a hate or love for a fighter and it blocks out reasoning. That goes for all of us. Some of my best predictions are when I am neutral for both guys, like both guys, or don't like both guys. If I like one guy and am a huge fan, that's the kind of emotion that gets in the way of logic and I pick wrong. Sometimes, like now I can remove my emotions and study the fight and be open to both guys each having a chance to win. I favor Matthysee slightly, but can see 2 scenarios that jump out as a possible outcome.

[MJ406]

^agreed, way too many times in fight predictions I'll read fans bringing up a fighters personal characteristics, lifestyle in a negative manner which obviously factors into that said fan picking against the fighter

and Broner too gets a ton of flack. People seem to fixate a lot on his extracurricular activities, like when he flushed money down a toilet or the offensive/ignorant stuff he says in post fight interviews. I mean that's good and all but IMO hating a guy for stuff he does or doesn't do in his personal life have little to no impact on his in ring career

Broner's a professional athlete, not a politician. Anyway that aside sure Broner has some talent, or he wouldn't be able to have accomplished what he has at his age, but the scary thing when looking about Broner is all the could ofs and should ofs

he has a lot of things to clean up regarding his fighting ability, lots of potential but we'll see if he can capitalize or not. Keep in mind potential only means the ability to do something, not necessarily doing it.

Regarding Broner vs Matthysse, certainly not a foregone conclusion Lucas runs him over but given what I've seen lately at this point I'd favor Lucas 60-40. At this point there's just too many questions with Broner, and to beat Lucas, Broner would need to be on his absolute best, shucks even if he's at his best that still might not be enough to defeat Lucas. We'll see though, and that'd be a great match up