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  • #41
    Originally posted by SUBZER0ED View Post
    Broner won't be able to take Matthysse's punches... believe it. The Machine's punches have pop, and are at least as hard as Maidana's, if not harder.
    Very possible he cannot take Matthysee's punches but I have seen stranger things, much stranger things. I've seen iron-chinned guys get hit flush from huge punchers and not go down and then get dropped and stopped by lighter punchers. I've seen a guy get stopped by Tony Tucker go on to destroy one of the most, if not the most feared heavyweight in history.....I've seen Roy Jones get hit flush by a heavyweight and not budge....the same heavyweight that dropped Evander Holyfield and by a former middle turned fat heavyweight who knocked out Evander with a body punch.....James Toney. And many other genuine upsets or surprises which this fight would not be classified as.

    So many times the triangle theory fails, this one being the Maidana comparison where Matthysee is perceived to be as big or bigger, more accurate puncher than Maidana. I remember some people thought because Rigo was hurt twice by Marroquin, that meant he was destined to be leveled by Donaire. I kept telling people, each fight has it's own unique chemistry, its own unique dynamics and because a guy was hurt by a guy who does not hit as hard as Donaire, doesn't mean Donaire is going to be even more successful with his greater power......and that's assuming Matthysee has greater power than Maidana. If comparison shopping was a science, it would be easy to get rich off of boxing.

    I would not be surprised if Broner was is able to withstand Matthysee's punches. I think the odds are he does not but if Broner took his punches or blocked and slipped enough of them and won, would I be shocked? Should anyone be shocked? Not really. Not if they have been a fan longer than a day. This is boxing and anything can and does happen, regularly. The only thing that would shock me is if crashed before the fight, woke up and they were announcing Broner the clear, uncontroversial winner and I found my head crazy glued to the carpet and pink were elephants dancing on my chest. In other words shocked at the glue and elephants, not shocked at Broner winning, in any form. After watching over five thousand fights, this would be among the least shocking. Broner may not be liked by everyone, but he does have skills.
    Last edited by richardt; 09-09-2014, 01:00 PM.

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    • #42
      Right now, I got both Swift & the Machine beating down Broner.

      He needs to get a better trainer like a Virgil Hunter or a Mayweather Sr.

      A trainer that will tell him to throw his jabs to set up his punches and to have better head movement and stay off the ropes and use his legs and box.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by richardt View Post
        Very possible he cannot take Matthysee's punches but I have seen stranger things. I've seen iron-chinned guys get hit flush from huge punchers and not go down and then get dropped and stopped by lighter punchers. So many times the triangle theory fails, this one being the Maidana comparison where Matthysee is perceived to be as big or bigger, more accurate puncher than Maidana. I remember some people thought because Rigo was hurt twice by Marroquin, that meant he was destined to be leveled by Donaire. I kept telling people, each fight has it's own unique chemistry, its own unique dynamics and because a guy was hurt by a guy who does not hit as hard as Donaire, doesn't mean Donaire is going to be even more successful with his greater power......and that's assuming Matthysee has greater power than Maidana. If comparison shopping was a science, it would be easy to get rich off of boxing.

        I would not be surprised if Broner was is able to withstand Matthysee's punches. I think the odds are he does not but if Broner took his punches or blocked and slipped enough of them and won, would I be shocked? Should anyone be shocked? Not really. Not if they have been a fan longer than a day. This is boxing and anything can and does happen, regularly. The only thing that would shock me is if I woke up the next day with my head crazy glued to the carpet and pink were elephants dancing on my chest.
        I would. Without using the so-called triangle theory, I say Matthysse smashes Broner. Broner consistantly has lulls where he just stands there and looks at his opponent. He only mounts sustained vicious attacks when he senses his opponent is too tired or hurt to come back. Matthysse will attack Broner all night. If Adrien makes the mistake of languishing on the ropes or just standing there looking at Lucas, he gets KO'd.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by SUBZER0ED View Post
          I would. Without using the so-called triangle theory, I say Matthysse smashes Broner. Broner consistantly has lulls where he just stands there and looks at his opponent. He only mounts sustained vicious attacks when he senses his opponent is too tired or hurt to come back. Matthysse will attack Broner all night. If Adrien makes the mistake of languishing on the ropes or just standing there looking at Lucas, he gets KO'd.
          Maybe, maybe not. What you say makes sense, but it is far from guaranteed and far from the only plausible analysis our outcome. People were MORE convinced Matthysee would blast out Garcia than Broner and boxing once again threw a wrench into expectations. I think the fight could go either way but here is what I like to do. Anyone who is 100% convinced beyond all doubt that Matthysee wins, then I will put up $25 dollars against that person's car or house or $2,000. It should be an easy $25 for someone to take from me. But it isn't. Either guy can win the fight. Because everyone knows that anything can happen. How many times did I hear that Donaire's left hook was going to leave Rigo in a burning heap as soon as he landed that punch. Fight plans change, fail, a fighter does something different, makes a mistake, overestimates, underestimates and then the outcome is something not expected. Too many variables. Boxing is anything but cause and effect. Now and then a small car causes more damage to a truck than the reverse. More than just power, more than just physics, more than just science. Science is more predictable than boxing. You have to have an open mind to a variation of outcomes.
          Last edited by richardt; 09-09-2014, 01:12 PM.

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          • #45
            Broner moves well? I guess our standards of "moving well" are different.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by richardt View Post
              Maybe, maybe not. What you say makes sense, but it is far from guaranteed and far from the only plausible analysis our outcome. People were MORE convinced Matthysee would blast out Garcia than Broner and boxing once again threw a wrench into expectations. I think the fight could go either way but here is what I like to do. Anyone who is 100% convinced beyond all doubt that Matthysee wins, then I will put up $25 dollars against that person's car or house or $2,000. It should be an easy $25 for someone to take from me. But it isn't. Either guy can win the fight. Because everyone knows that anything can happen. How many times did I hear that Donaire's left hook was going to leave Rigo in a burning heap as soon as he landed that punch. Fight plans change, fail, a fighter does something different, makes a mistake, overestimates, underestimates and then the outcome is something not expected. Too many variables. Boxing is anything but cause and effect. Now and then a small car causes more damage to a truck than the reverse. More than just power, more than just physics, more than just science. Science is more predictable than boxing. You have to have an open mind to a variation of outcomes.
              I know what you're saying; anything can happen in boxing. You're proposed bet is ridiculous though! It tells me that you're uncertain you would win, but if by some chance you did, you want to win big. Yet in losing, you don't intend to lose much. Hilarious! Some may not have noticed the turning point in the Matthysse vs Garcia fight. Of course it was the damage to his right eye, but the way he sustained it was a fluke. Garcia caught Lucas with a strange little right to his right eye. Normally a punch from the right hand would land on the opponent's left side. Lucas was out of position and couldn't defend it. Because of the weird angle, it was nearly a rake, which explains the extensive damage. His vision was jacked the rest of the night. Matthysse has mentioned wanting a rematch, and I would love to see it.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by SUBZER0ED View Post
                I know what you're saying; anything can happen in boxing. You're proposed bet is ridiculous though! It tells me that you're uncertain you would win, but if by some chance you did, you want to win big. Yet in losing, you don't intend to lose much. Hilarious! Some may not have noticed the turning point in the Matthysse vs Garcia fight. Of course it was the damage to his right eye, but the way he sustained it was a fluke. Garcia caught Lucas with a strange little right to his right eye. Normally a punch from the right hand would land on the opponent's left side. Lucas was out of position and couldn't defend it. Because of the weird angle, it was nearly a rake, which explains the extensive damage. His vision was jacked the rest of the night. Matthysse has mentioned wanting a rematch, and I would love to see it.
                My bet is the end all to people who say are 100% convinced and will argue to the ends of the earth why they are 100% convinced. But the fact is, no one is or they would take my easy $25. Actually some people are because what I heard was people lost a ton of money betting on Hatton for the Pac fight. I'm not sure if anyone lost their house when Hatton told them to bet their houses and as far-fetched as that would seem, it would not surprise me if it actually happened, knowing how far people can go when they are emotional about something. I would overall doubt someone bet their house but people have lost everything they own to ********.

                My bet brings people back down to earth when they realize there is no sure winner. Of course I'm uncertain who wins this fight, that's why I am not offering an equal bet. Regarding the Garcia fight, Matthysee landed some BOMBS on Garcia and he took them without even staggering. That is something almost no one thought would happen. The person who is not biased for whatever reasons and has an open mind, can see a number of outcomes to most big matchups.

                The easiest way to tell when someone is unbiased to an extent is when they can develop 2-3 scenarios/outcomes for solid matchups. I have been Broner's #1 critic. No one, and I mean no one can top me there. But I can also analyze outside of my emotions......not too many people here can do that. They are TOO emotionally charged for, or against a certain fighter or fighters. Logic is often hard to find in the chambers of the human heart. That's what professional, wealthy gamblers prey on.......that others will bet with their heart. They rarely bet that way. Some people would love nothing more than to see Broner or other fighters get knocked out and that's when the heart overrules logic......not always a good thing. Not saying you do it, but many do.
                Last edited by richardt; 09-09-2014, 03:37 PM.

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                • #48
                  Broner might have held belts in 3 weight divisions, but that does not mean much since there is at least 4 champions in each division and made up titles every other month. Being a Champion does not mean very much these days, WBC,WBA, WBO, IBF, etc, they ruined boxing.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Sweden2716 View Post
                    Broner might have held belts in 3 weight divisions, but that does not mean much since there is at least 4 champions in each division and made up titles every other month. Being a Champion does not mean very much these days, WBC,WBA, WBO, IBF, etc, they ruined boxing.
                    Beating guys who were the champion in their division in 3 divisions would have been a feat. But Mallinaggi, DeMarco, and Rodriguez were not the very best at the time. Almost any contender with some clever matchmaking behind him can do that. Gone are the days when multi-divisional champs were something amazing.
                    Last edited by richardt; 09-09-2014, 03:53 PM.

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                    • #50
                      I'd rather watch another fight though...

                      Adrien Broner vs Terence Crawford...

                      ... at 140, of course... Both young... they can both fight...

                      Much more interesting...

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