Ali fought the best?

[djtmal]

Boxing has been injured, by the best boxers making the most ridiculous excuses, to not face each other, and their fanboys ride with it.

Thats why I stick with the haglers and ali's. Some of the **** excuses that have rolled off floyd's tongue have been pathetic, and stuff the Ali's and Haglers wouldn't dare utter. Health comes first and being a rich coward. Negrow what?

Then, what may be even worse is these delusional fanatics, who will utter the same **** they just heard fmj say on YouTube verbatum and ad nauseam. Will come to the conclusion that Manny Pacquaio is a ****ing pedhead because floyd said so, or worse off, his pops, who was definitely an ex con loser, who caught a break due to his son's career taking off. The delusional leading the delusional.

No disrespect to Oscar, Cotto, Shane, Bhop, Manny or even Roy for mannin up and facing Tarver, i see canelo and ggg trying to earn their stripes properly, but cats like Floyd and Ward have taken the sport backwards

[Elroy1]

You're doing quite a job schooling these guys.

Another thing people tend to neglect is that Mayweather for more than a decade now has been consistently (minus the Marquez fight) outweighed by his opponents by as much as 10+ lbs or higher. It is rare he's not outweighed by his opponents by anything less than 10 lbs these days. He's consistently beating bigger guys, and the only other guy that has also done this is Pacquaio.

Another point the cheerleaders don't bring up is the state of Ali's health today. They praise him for always 'fighting the best', but is his health the best today? His health has been bad for quite sometime, and he wishes he could have done things differently in choosing fights. Even George Foreman said if he could go back in time, he wouldn't have fought Ali.

I agree and that's a very important point because at Floyd's weight, those lbs make a lot of difference.

The difference between Floyd/Canelo for instance meant much more than the very small for HW difference between Ali/Foreman.

Most ppl like to overlook the fact that Ali outtalled nearly all of his opponents and outweighted 3/4 of them! Floyd is not allowed to enjoy that.

[djtmal]

I agree and that's a very important point because at Floyd's weight, those lbs make a lot of difference.

The difference between Floyd/Canelo for instance meant much more than the very small for HW difference between Ali/Foreman.

Most ppl like to overlook the fact that Ali outtalled nearly all of his opponents and outweighted 3/4 of them! Floyd is not allowed to enjoy that.

The level of competition man WTF. Foreman was a '68 Olympic Gold Medalist and you gonna compare him to Canelo ****ing Alvarez?

Even though I give Alvarez points for heart/balls, Floyd should be able to spot a kid that green 40 lbs and beat him WTF...

[Elroy1]

The level of competition man WTF. Foreman was a '68 Olympic Gold Medalist and you gonna compare him to Canelo ****ing Alvarez?

Even though I give Alvarez points for heart/balls, Floyd should be able to spot a kid that green 40 lbs and beat him WTF...

Foreman's record up to the point where he fought Ali was not THAT extensive. The mere fact he was the Olympic gold medallist speaks volumes about the quality of the era since George Foreman of those days and his pro prime could barely even box! His only recourse is that he was bigger and more powerful than everybody else..

Alvarez is lb for lb more powerful and stronger (obviously) than Foreman, he is far more athletic, a completely well rounded boxer with many times the level of skills of George.

Alvarez's opponent might not be top notch overall but considering the subset of pre-Ali Foreman fights, Alvarez's opponents are so much better than the melon heads that George Foreman knocked out as to make your comment simply laughable.

It's no secret that Foreman fought one of the most mismatched and cushie runs of opponents up to Ali of any HW boxer, let alone any elite modern limit weight fighter!

Quality of opposition indeed! I'll assume you were joking there.

[djtmal]

Foreman's record up to the point where he fought Ali was not THAT extensive. The mere fact he was the Olympic gold medallist speaks volumes about the quality of the era since George Foreman of those days and his pro prime could barely even box! His only recourse is that he was bigger and more powerful than everybody else..

Alvarez is lb for lb more powerful and stronger (obviously) than Foreman, he is far more athletic, a completely well rounded boxer with many times the level of skills of George.

Alvarez's opponent might not be top notch overall but considering the subset of pre-Ali Foreman fights, Alvarez's opponents are so much better than the melon heads that George Foreman knocked out as to make your comment simply laughable.

It's no secret that Foreman fought one of the most mismatched and cushie runs of opponents up to Ali of any HW boxer, let alone any elite modern limit weight fighter!

Quality of opposition indeed! I'll assume you were joking there.

Lmao. Tell that to one of these young bucks who don't know any better.

[Elroy1]

Lmao. Tell that to one of these young bucks who don't know any better.

These young bucks you speak of KNOW the difference.

Problem for guys like you, video evidence is there to be immediately refute all that you say without even trying.

We can pull up Alvarez's very impressive performances anytime we like, say against Trout or Mosley...

And then there's this, a "title defence" of George Foreman's...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRHeelzr2-Q

Any arguments you had are for all to see, completely obliterated right there.

I'm embarrassed for you that you even tried to go down that path.

The difference is quality between boxers in 2010 compared to boxers in 1970 is so far out of this world it's beyond questioning. Only a fool would debate that!

[LacedUp]

Elroy1 trolling a perfectly fine thread with his usual crap I see.

[tangalog2200]

Select any opponent smaller, less skilled with no chin or punch and a bit out of shape from the beginning of Floyd's career... THAT'S Floyd's Frazier.

Select an opponent with a big punch from early on in Floyd's career but much slower than Floyd.. THAT's Floyd's Liston.

Same goes for Shaver..

Select a decent skilled opponent but lacking a chin and a really big punch. Say, Zab Judah, there's ya Ken Norton.

Canelo Alvarez is definitely Mayweather's Foreman, no question.'

And I didn't even mention the main body of Mayweather's work.

Most of Ali's BEST opponents are bums.

Nearly ALL of Mayweather's opponents are decent opponents. Look at the records, look at the opponents records, look at the opponents opponents records. compare the video evidence of all corresponding levels of competition. look at the physical difference in quality.

It's all there, this comparison is once again disrespectful.

It's silly to compare a HW boxer to a limit weight one anyway, they're kinda like different sports, Ali didn't really even box properly compared to Floyd, most HW boxers don't because they don't have to.

Of the 5 best opponents of Ali, only Norton was an all around boxer.

And also of the 5 best opponents of Ali...

Many ppl argue that Frazier should have won the trilogy,
MOST ppl agree that Ali was lucky against Foreman OR there was foul play AND that Foreman would win a rematch that Ali ducked.
Norton REALLY won their trilogy.
Shavers REALLY beat Ali
Ali never REALLY beat Liston!

So apart from the unusual and unsatisfying Foreman question... The rest of Ali's top opponents aren't even solid wins!

calling ali's opponents as bums and saying floyd's opponents are decent is hogwash to say the least...

it also indicates that you have no real grasp of difference of the level of competitions that ali and floyd have.....

so george, smokin joe, norton, liston and company were bums....

and canelo, ortiz, maidana, judah and company are decent fighters....

i would like to say more but have to roll on the floor laughing myself to tears ha ha ha

[The Noose]

Select any opponent smaller, less skilled with no chin or punch and a bit out of shape from the beginning of Floyd's career... THAT'S Floyd's Frazier.

Frazier had no punch or chin and was out of shape?

Canelo Alvarez is definitely Mayweather's Foreman, no question.'

Canelo was destroying everyone prior to Floyd and therefore Floyd was a huge underdog?
Did everyone believe Canelo was going to literally kill Floyd?

And also of the 5 best opponents of Ali...

Many ppl argue that Frazier should have won the trilogy,
MOST ppl agree that Ali was lucky against Foreman OR there was foul play AND that Foreman would win a rematch that Ali ducked.
Norton REALLY won their trilogy.
Shavers REALLY beat Ali
Ali never REALLY beat Liston!

Where did you get these notions from?

[djtmal]

These young bucks you speak of KNOW the difference.

Problem for guys like you, video evidence is there to be immediately refute all that you say without even trying.

We can pull up Alvarez's very impressive performances anytime we like, say against Trout or Mosley...

And then there's this, a "title defence" of George Foreman's...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRHeelzr2-Q

Any arguments you had are for all to see, completely obliterated right there.

I'm embarrassed for you that you even tried to go down that path.

The difference is quality between boxers in 2010 compared to boxers in 1970 is so far out of this world it's beyond questioning. Only a fool would debate that!

Elroy's the name shoulda guessed. George Jetsons' son's name. On some outer space ish huh.