Ali fought the best?

[sicko]

Ali Era also had TALENT, Mayweather ERA especially as he move up in weight...PURE **** and haven't produced any All Time Great Fighters from his ERA

He has some Hall Of Fame/Future Hall Of Fame fighters on his Resume I guess but NO GREATS!

[Elroy1]

Ali Era also had TALENT, Mayweather ERA especially as he move up in weight...PURE **** and haven't produced any All Time Great Fighters from his ERA

He has some Hall Of Fame/Future Hall Of Fame fighters on his Resume I guess but NO GREATS!

Mayweather fought and beat nothing less than "excellent" opponents all the time. Regardless of timing/ducking, its still a great resume.

In 50 plus fights, Ali managed to fight only one really good opponent, Foreman. That's terrible.

And still, his best win, was a basic arm/push punching slugger who at that stage could not even box properly.

How dare you compare.

[Elroy1]

Yes it was a very "orchestrated" victory wasn't it.

Had they fought again, I would of put the money on Foreman still.

There's a reason George was the only opponent of Ali's never granted a rematch he so desperately wanted.

[tangalog2200]

There has been a lot of Floyd bashers out there that claims that Floyd isn't the best because he dodged a lot of prime fighters (I'm 1 of them) and they always say a guy like Ali fought the best but, Ali fought the best because the best brought the best money if Ali could have fought weaker opponents for 5-10 mil a fight he might not have ever fought foreman, Frazier ect. So when u see Floyd getting $30 mil+ for whoever he fights how can u blame him.

ali fought the best......end of it....no question mark, please!

[tangalog2200]

Mayweather fought and beat nothing less than "excellent" opponents all the time. Regardless of timing/ducking, its still a great resume.

In 50 plus fights, Ali managed to fight only one really good opponent, Foreman. That's terrible.

And still, his best win, was a basic arm/push punching slugger who at that stage could not even box properly.

How dare you compare.

oh, so floyd is greater than ali?

who is floyd's foreman?, floyd's frazer?, floyd's norton? floyd's liston? floyd's paterson? etc. etc.

[tangalog2200]

Mayweather fought and beat nothing less than "excellent" opponents all the time. Regardless of timing/ducking, its still a great resume.

In 50 plus fights, Ali managed to fight only one really good opponent, Foreman. That's terrible.

And still, his best win, was a basic arm/push punching slugger who at that stage could not even box properly.

How dare you compare.

oh, so floyd is greater than ali?

who is floyd's foreman?, floyd's frazer?, floyd's norton? floyd's liston? floyd's paterson? etc. etc.

[Elroy1]

oh, so floyd is greater than ali?

who is floyd's foreman?, floyd's frazer?, floyd's norton? floyd's liston? floyd's paterson? etc. etc.

Select any opponent smaller, less skilled with no chin or punch and a bit out of shape from the beginning of Floyd's career... THAT'S Floyd's Frazier.

Select an opponent with a big punch from early on in Floyd's career but much slower than Floyd.. THAT's Floyd's Liston.

Same goes for Shaver..

Select a decent skilled opponent but lacking a chin and a really big punch. Say, Zab Judah, there's ya Ken Norton.

Canelo Alvarez is definitely Mayweather's Foreman, no question.'

And I didn't even mention the main body of Mayweather's work.

Most of Ali's BEST opponents are bums.

Nearly ALL of Mayweather's opponents are decent opponents. Look at the records, look at the opponents records, look at the opponents opponents records. compare the video evidence of all corresponding levels of competition. look at the physical difference in quality.

It's all there, this comparison is once again disrespectful.

It's silly to compare a HW boxer to a limit weight one anyway, they're kinda like different sports, Ali didn't really even box properly compared to Floyd, most HW boxers don't because they don't have to.

Of the 5 best opponents of Ali, only Norton was an all around boxer.

And also of the 5 best opponents of Ali...

Many ppl argue that Frazier should have won the trilogy,
MOST ppl agree that Ali was lucky against Foreman OR there was foul play AND that Foreman would win a rematch that Ali ducked.
Norton REALLY won their trilogy.
Shavers REALLY beat Ali
Ali never REALLY beat Liston!

So apart from the unusual and unsatisfying Foreman question... The rest of Ali's top opponents aren't even solid wins!

[bklynboy]

There has been a lot of Floyd bashers out there that claims that Floyd isn't the best because he dodged a lot of prime fighters (I'm 1 of them) and they always say a guy like Ali fought the best but, Ali fought the best because the best brought the best money if Ali could have fought weaker opponents for 5-10 mil a fight he might not have ever fought foreman, Frazier ect. So when u see Floyd getting $30 mil+ for whoever he fights how can u blame him.

You might not blame him (Mayweather) the human being who wants a payday without taking any punishment but then ... he loses in the ATG standing. It's a trade-off.

What would you think of pro-sports (baseball, basketball, football) if one of the best teams refused to play another because of contract disputes. No mutha***a. Prove your greatness by taking on the best out there.

What would you think of the the New England Patriots (who went undefeated) during the regular season - and they chose nnot play the NY Giants in the Super Bowl because of contract disputes or "not enough money." The other sports don't have that problem. Teams HAVE TO play the other teams.

Unfortunately for the last 30 years or so boxing has, more and more, been injured by the best boxers in each division not facing each other.

[Elroy1]

You might not blame him (Mayweather) the human being who wants a payday without taking any punishment but then ... he loses in the ATG standing. It's a trade-off.

What would you think of pro-sports (baseball, basketball, football) if one of the best teams refused to play another because of contract disputes. No mutha***a. Prove your greatness by taking on the best out there.

What would you think of the the New England Patriots (who went undefeated) during the regular season - and they chose nnot play the NY Giants in the Super Bowl because of contract disputes or "not enough money." The other sports don't have that problem. Teams HAVE TO play the other teams.

Unfortunately for the last 30 years or so boxing has, more and more, been injured by the best boxers in each division not facing each other.

Floyd Mayweather has outright ducked Pacquiao, basically admitted it, nobody would seriously argue that without blushing.

That aside, who the hell are these "better opponents" Floyd should have fought instead? I think he's captured basically all of them, albeit the "timing" of those fights was very "fortunate" for him LOL.

But nowhere do we see such luminary opponents like Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell, Zora Folley, Chuck Wepner, Earnie Shavers etc.

Floyd is not even ALLOWED to fight opponents as weak as that!

[radioraheem]

Floyd Mayweather has outright ducked Pacquiao, basically admitted it, nobody would seriously argue that without blushing.

That aside, who the hell are these "better opponents" Floyd should have fought instead? I think he's captured basically all of them, albeit the "timing" of those fights was very "fortunate" for him LOL.

But nowhere do we see such luminary opponents like Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell, Zora Folley, Chuck Wepner, Earnie Shavers etc.

Floyd is not even ALLOWED to fight opponents as weak as that!

You're doing quite a job schooling these guys.

Another thing people tend to neglect is that Mayweather for more than a decade now has been consistently (minus the Marquez fight) outweighed by his opponents by as much as 10+ lbs or higher. It is rare he's not outweighed by his opponents by anything less than 10 lbs these days. He's consistently beating bigger guys, and the only other guy that has also done this is Pacquaio.

Another point the cheerleaders don't bring up is the state of Ali's health today. They praise him for always 'fighting the best', but is his health the best today? His health has been bad for quite sometime, and he wishes he could have done things differently in choosing fights. Even George Foreman said if he could go back in time, he wouldn't have fought Ali.