who is the number 1 super middleweight in the word-FROCH OR WARD

[HEND]

LOL leave it... Ward absoultely outclassed Froch and now they still try to claim that Froch is the #1 SMW. Now I realized that I can't convince with simple logic such a biased bandwagon. They like Froch gladiatoresque style better + most of them are probably british so they'll vote for Froch without any kind of logic and try to argue it based on BS reasons like "Ward is inactive" while they should just type in google if they missed: Ward vs Froch. Then they would see crystal clear who is the way better boxer...
Or if they already watched it and still think Froch is the better boxer I don't know what can I say.

[BattlingNelson]

No I don't. I go strictly by resume.

Really? I must have misunderstood this then:

You make good points but you are omitting the fact that if they were to fight tomorrow Ward would be the overwhelming favorite

In other Words a future fight (fantasy) should factor in the way you rank. How can I else interpret that?

Froch's wins since the Ward loss have been good but you are suggesting the quantity somehow makes froch the #1 SMW. he can't be because he lost clearly to Ward.

I'm suggesting that Froch's quality outweighs Ward's by so much that Froch should be no. 1 yes.

Ward is inactive while he works out his legal issues. His trying to handle his business doesn't elevate Carl past him. froch has some good wins and I see him as one of the 10 best p4p fighters in the world.

But the best SMW in the world is Ward-he proved it in the ring. Wins do not have an expiration date.

Are you serious? We are talking current ranking here. Not all-time. Do you realise that you'd have Ward ranked above Froch forever even if Froch continued to beat contenders and Ward just fought a milkman once a year.

That doesn't sit well with me at all.

[LacedUp]

If he doesn't give Dawson credit for a victory over Johnson in 2008, he can't possibly give Groves credit for a victory over Johnson 4 years later coming off of 3 consecutive losses.

I guess Paul Smith and Kenny Anderson are the guys that are giving George Groves this great resume

Sorry I have to break it to you, but you don't need a great resume to have a better one than Edwin Rodriguez

I've never claimed Groves' resume is great, even good. Just better than Rodriguez's.

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Froch is far more of a man than Ward will ever be though. I think Ward secretly wishes he was Carl Froch. Froch is adored in the boxing world, whereas Ward is pretty much hated by everyone, even his own countrymen. Froch also has a far hotter woman.

Bow to the king.

[BattlingNelson]

Froch can't be no 1 unless he beats Ward. Period.

So Ward can just beat Oakland orphants and he'd always be above Froch because of that old win in your opinion. Interesting.

[BattlingNelson]

It's hard because Froch has done so much more in the last 3 years as opposed to Ward who's done nothing at all what so ever.

But Ward beat Froch in one sided fashion.

So it's difficult.

^^^^ The truth.

The question is how long it should take for Froch to surpass Ward's win over him. That's the key in this debate as I see it.

[SUBZER0ED]

If Ward continues his inactivity and Froch continues to defeat his challengers, it will become more and more difficult to even consider Ward's ranking in the present tense.

[New England]

you should replace doe with whatever the English equivalent is.

Maybe, Dawson was drained, cheerio.

that's a good idea.


dawson was drained, innit?

[The Big Dunn]

Really? I must have misunderstood this then:


In other Words a future fight (fantasy) should factor in the way you rank. How can I else interpret that?


I'm suggesting that Froch's quality outweighs Ward's by so much that Froch should be no. 1 yes.


Are you serious? We are talking current ranking here. Not all-time. Do you realise that you'd have Ward ranked above Froch forever even if Froch continued to beat contenders and Ward just fought a milkman once a year.

That doesn't sit well with me at all.

no-it means that Ward being the overwhelming favorite should they fight now shows that most feel he is still the best SMW in the world.

I would disagree. Ward doesn't get penalized because he is trying to negotiate a better deal.

Taking my point about wins to the extreme to argue it down is childish. We are discussing right now, not in the future. As of now, Ward's win over Carl is still fresh enough that he retains his #1 spot.

He cleaned out the division-froch is fighting what's left.

[KevinHenry007]

Sorry I have to break it to you, but you don't need a great resume to have a better one than Edwin Rodriguez

I've never claimed Groves' resume is great, even good. Just better than Rodriguez's.

I just proved to you how it's not.

Rodriguez' opponents are clearly better with a more proven track record than Groves opponents.

You say DeGale has a great amateur background and mentioned the EBU, but you fail to realize that Erdei was an undefeated former WBC Cruiserweight Champion and WBO Light Heavyweight Champion before losing to Dennis Grachev.

My fault, I guess Erdei and Grachev don't match up with Kenny Anderson.