Comments Thread For: Juan Manuel Marquez Ponders Whether To Fight Again

[The Problem Child]

Juanita is now pondering... and wonderiiiiiing... and talking to his beautiful familyyyy... and thinkiiing... meditatiiiiing.... Juanita feels great, feels strong... Juanita really wants to make history... A 5th title... But Pacquiao has title... And juanita... Juanita must ponder... Wonder... and wonder... and really think about it...

Oh what happened to the great legendary mexican champion called Juan Dinamita Marquez?

Juanita... Juanita says it was not a lucky punch... it was practiced. But... but.... if it is practiced, he can do it again... Can he not... Can you not, Juanita? Juaniiitaaa... Your feelings? What about your feeling?... I thought you felt strong, confident... But but... keep feeling? But that feeling can be recreated if it was practiced...? Right, Juanita?

Juanitaaa? ... Juanita?

The end.

[BennyST]

What?

Manny sued Floyd because Floyd and company were saying that Manny is a drug cheat with no proof. Manny had risen to fame boxing wise and was trying to start a political career and being accused of that is not good nor right no matter how you look at it.

Marquez's mistake is getting MEMO ..... an admitted PEDs cheat! In Marquez's last fight, his body had acne and that is very su****ious considering what he was suspected of and him being 41 years old.

Grow up and get a brain. No doubt you've been accusing Marquez of being on peds since he first went with Heredia right?

Why has it taken him nearly five years to get roid acne, if he's been on peds the whole time? Why does he only have acne in one fight under Heredia, that being a stay busy easy fight for him? If he was going to be juicing to the gills like you guys think, it would have clearly come up against Pac, yet it didn't, or against anybody else. Why?

[BennyST]

Juanita is now pondering... and wonderiiiiiing... and talking to his beautiful familyyyy... and thinkiiing... meditatiiiiing.... Juanita feels great, feels strong... Juanita really wants to make history... A 5th title... But Pacquiao has title... And juanita... Juanita must ponder... Wonder... and wonder... and really think about it...

Oh what happened to the great legendary mexican champion called Juan Dinamita Marquez?

Juanita... Juanita says it was not a lucky punch... it was practiced. But... but.... if it is practiced, he can do it again... Can he not... Can you not, Juanita? Juaniiitaaa... Your feelings? What about your feeling?... I thought you felt strong, confident... But but... keep feeling? But that feeling can be recreated if it was practiced...? Right, Juanita?

Juanitaaa? ... Juanita?

The end.

A grown man resorting to calling a world champion boxer a girl by playing with his name.

Boy oh boy.

Unless you're still in primary school, then I'd understand as that's the only time it's acceptable.

My mind is blown by this thread. This is some of the saddest **** I've ever seen.

[Dinamita 03]

Juanita is now pondering... and wonderiiiiiing... and talking to his beautiful familyyyy... and thinkiiing... meditatiiiiing.... Juanita feels great, feels strong... Juanita really wants to make history... A 5th title... But Pacquiao has title... And juanita... Juanita must ponder... Wonder... and wonder... and really think about it...

Oh what happened to the great legendary mexican champion called Juan Dinamita Marquez?

Juanita... Juanita says it was not a lucky punch... it was practiced. But... but.... if it is practiced, he can do it again... Can he not... Can you not, Juanita? Juaniiitaaa... Your feelings? What about your feeling?... I thought you felt strong, confident... But but... keep feeling? But that feeling can be recreated if it was practiced...? Right, Juanita?

Juanitaaa? ... Juanita?

The end.

[FloydvsPac]

Grow up and get a brain. No doubt you've been accusing Marquez of being on peds since he first went with Heredia right?

Why has it taken him nearly five years to get roid acne, if he's been on peds the whole time? Why does he only have acne in one fight under Heredia, that being a stay busy easy fight for him? If he was going to be juicing to the gills like you guys think, it would have clearly come up against Pac, yet it didn't, or against anybody else. Why?

Of all the fighters, Marquez has the most red flags of anyone. If you don't see that, then there is no point in debating. You will always find an excuse to believe that he's clean.

As long athletic commissions don't require more stringent testing, the opportunity to juice and hide behind the broken system will continue for years to come. The system favors the juicer. Right now the only way to bust a cheater is a straight up confession or finding a whistle blower within the team that has concrete evidence. Without that, any cheater can threaten their accusers with lawsuits and win.

[BennyST]

Of all the fighters, Marquez has the most red flags of anyone. If you don't see that, then there is no point in debating. You will always find an excuse to believe that he's clean.

As long athletic commissions don't require more stringent testing, the opportunity to juice and hide behind the broken system will continue for years to come. The system favors the juicer. Right now the only way to bust a cheater is a straight up confession or finding a whistle blower within the team that has concrete evidence. Without that, any cheater can threaten their accusers with lawsuits and win.

Well, actually, if you want to go by that, there are many, many, many, many fighters with red flags. It seems to be Marquez that gets called out on it, yet there are many in the same boat.

However, one of the biggest 'red flags' people use here is his acne. Yet common sense would suggest that after nearly five years of supposedly heavy use, it would have shown up long before in all his other fights, or even just one other, particularly his more important ones. That would be a red flag.

It's only shown up in one fight, many years after supposedly being juicing in a smaller, stay busy fight. That's not a red flag. It's not anything. It's people using something to fit what they want it to fit. One isolated incident isn't a red flag, particularly when it actually goes against everything else.

See, you guys see some chest acne and go "roids!" and just make it fit in your heads. You don't think 'ok, if it were roids, why has it shown up in only one fight? Why had it shown up only once after many, many years instead of all through his supposed roid use or even just most of it?'

If, as everyone says, it's just easy to pass these tests and that's why Marquez has passed and hasn't come up dirty despite testing, why aren't people accusing everyone else that works with these S and C coaches? Conte, other fighters under Heredia, Ariza (did a long term of 'apprenticeship' under Heredia and has previously talked about being taught everything he knows by him).

The acne was the biggest thing people go on, yet it contradicts it, because it has only shown up after five years when he needed it the least. That's not a red flag.

[pepzz]

marquez was getting walked down with a broken bloody nose in the last fight. Then pac made a crucial mistake in the last seconds. Now if marquez was dominating the whole fight it would be different but he was getting his ass beat. This to me justifies a rematch but marquez is not sportsmanlike enough to return the favor. So F marquez he will never make that pac money again. He has to fight someone popular like pac to be on ppv. Have a good retirement marquez and take care of yourself.

LOL. Retarted butt hurt pac fan. What if this what if that??..... pac got knocked the f out. Nothing in this world can change that. Just accept that your god was put to sleep.

Not he doesn't you ****** ****ing ******. **** me, some of you guys are so ****ing ******. First of all, Pac does not choose his opponents. Got it? Marquez has more say over who he fights than Pac. The only person responsible for this rivalry is Arum. If anything Pac didn't want these fights, t had no choice because that's what the most popular match was, because Marquez was always at the top next to Pac, and because he kept on winning their fights, only to be screwed. Marquez owes it to a Marquez and Arum, not to Pac.

But, he owes it to the training, skill and to the heart that kept him in the fights through great adversity and he owes it to himself by staying at the top and as the only logical opponent because most people thought he won. That's what he owes it to.

Pac couldn't beat him in an entire rivalry of great fights, so that means that its just the logical choice to do it again and that's down to both fighters. Marquez doesn't owe **** to Pac. He owes it to the training, skill, heart that kept him in the fights, kept him as a top opponent, kept him as the only logical choice and the most popular choice. When the third fight came around, it was a cherry pick, one of these fights that all the butthurt people around here are accusing a Marquez of doing. Arum got Marquez in because they assumed Pac had gotten much better and that an old Marquez would get annihilated in one round. People wanted to see the end of something that Pac hadn't been able to conquer. He lost, thus the fourth fight.

Or shall we start saying Pac owes everything to Oscar and Floyd. Oscar for making him a star and Floyd for being such a **** that it made Pac look like the humble (lol) peoples champion? With these two guys, Pac would be nothing.

Does Floyd owe Oscar and Gatt? Does Ali owe Liston, Frazier and Foreman? Does Duran owe Leonard, De Jesus, Hagler and Hearns? Does Robinson owe Lamotta?

They owe it to themselves for being ****ing great fighters and winning the fights. Promoters make the fights. Fighters fight them, so if they do brilliantly and are worthy of more, it's because of themselves, their skill, their heart.

Excellent post

[FloydvsPac]

Well, actually, if you want to go by that, there are many, many, many, many fighters with red flags. It seems to be Marquez that gets called out on it, yet there are many in the same boat.

However, one of the biggest 'red flags' people use here is his acne. Yet common sense would suggest that after nearly five years of supposedly heavy use, it would have shown up long before in all his other fights, or even just one other, particularly his more important ones. That would be a red flag.

It's only shown up in one fight, many years after supposedly being juicing in a smaller, stay busy fight. That's not a red flag. It's not anything. It's people using something to fit what they want it to fit. One isolated incident isn't a red flag, particularly when it actually goes against everything else.

See, you guys see some chest acne and go "roids!" and just make it fit in your heads. You don't think 'ok, if it were roids, why has it shown up in only one fight? Why had it shown up only once after many, many years instead of all through his supposed roid use or even just most of it?'

If, as everyone says, it's just easy to pass these tests and that's why Marquez has passed and hasn't come up dirty despite testing, why aren't people accusing everyone else that works with these S and C coaches? Conte, other fighters under Heredia, Ariza (did a long term of 'apprenticeship' under Heredia and has previously talked about being taught everything he knows by him).

The acne was the biggest thing people go on, yet it contradicts it, because it has only shown up after five years when he needed it the least. That's not a red flag.

You are right. Acne is just one of the symptoms of PED use, but it doesn't prove if a person is on PED's or not. I suppose anyone using the acne claim is just adding to the already compelling list of evidence. As far as Marquez "beating all the tests", Marquez was only randomly tested ONCE for the Bradley fight, which he lost, even though that test was never confirmed to be as stringent as VADA or even Floyd's version of OST. Him losing that fight doesn't bode well for him since he was not randomly tested when he displayed KO power at welter.

Since it is unanimous that commission testing is lacking and since there is no mandatory random testing, red flags are the only indicators in suspecting a cheater and Marquez has the most. I suggest you do the research. And right after Lance Armstrong's detailed confession one month after Pac-JMM 4, Marquez became even more su****ious in everyone's eyes because the list of PED's Armstrong took are essentially the same ones that dirty boxers are taking, especially given to Olympic athletes by Heredia. But the system will protect Marquez and anyone else under su****ion because there is no mandatory random testing in place to catch cheaters. You could argue, well then ALL fighters are suspect! But then that makes the ones with the most red flags even more suspect.

If you still believe he is 100% innocent, then there is really nothing more to say.

[pepzz]

1-3 record vs someone is dominance? and the one win is due to memo's peds.

sure go right ahead and enjoy.

3 close fights (that could of gone either way) vs one domiant knock the f out win
hmmmmmmmm

[keyz3r0]

Like I said before.. Marquez used to be one of my favs!!! till he took on Herrera the steroid giver.. then all of a sudden he looks like he's on steroids and looks 3x bigger than pacquiao in their 4th fight.. then looks even bigger with Bradley..
LETS NO FORGET THE ACNE ALL OVER HIS BODY.. AND LETS NOT FORGET HOW HE WAS ARGUING WITH BRADLEY OVER WHO HE WANTED TO USE FOR DRUG TESTING... LET'S NOT FORGET HOW BRADLEY WANTED ALL RANDOM DRUG TESTING FROM BOTH COMPANIES (VADA.. ETC..) AND MARQUEZ STRAIGHT OUT REFUSED!!!!

And yes I USED to be a huge fan of marquez, being that I'm Mexican.. One of my favorite fights of his was Marquez vs. Baby bull Diaz.. that looked like the normal marquez.

When he fought Pacquiao the fourth time. I really didn't care who won because I Liked both fighters.. but when he started to look all steroided out during camp.. I mean c'mon if you wanna be blind, be blind.. but you just can't look 3x bigger than your opponent in 6-8 weeks all of a sudden. and then all of a sudden get acne at 41 even though you never had acne in 99% of your career.. then you get the fans demanding all the blood tests and you say "naw I think i'll retire".. RETIRE YOU CHEATER... AND GO AWAY !!!! that's how I see it. Good Day.