On top of that the fighters TS mentioned displayed more versatility against far superior opposition which makes this question laughable.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostFloyds a gimmick.
Why do you think he avoided Cassamayor, P-Will, Margarito, Pacquaio, Martinez, prime Mosley etc etc?
Because just like Castillo, Chavez, Maidana they wouldn't give a **** for his pitty pat bull**** and stand stargazing whilst getting popped - They would rush his ass and throw massive volume and keep it up for the full 12.
Imagine is Rigo ducked Donaire, ducked Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz, Mares, Gonzales etc and fought a load of Victor Ortiz level opposition whilst demanding catchweights, blood tests, not allowing them to wear punchers gloves whilst maintaining he was TBE!
Floyd TBE, laughable. He isn't even the best fighter of this era. Its all smoke and mirrors.
Anybody can look skilled against a guy stood on the outside too scared to engage.
If Floyds the best of this era, Joe Calzaghe is the GOAT.
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Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View PostOn top of that the fighters TS mentioned displayed more versatility against far superior opposition which makes this question laughable.
They had to, they was forced to and had no choice.
Rigondeaux is that great that no fighter can take him out his element. Instead ignorant fans will claim he is limited, can't fight inside, etc
That is how great Rigondeaux is, he doesn't need to make drastic changes and that isn't the sign of a great boxer to me it really isn't.
Great boxers your Haglers, Monzon's, B-Hops, Tunneys etc only made minor adjustments
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostIt's funny no one really accused Floyd of ducking anyone prior to Manny Pacquiao's introduction to the WW scene.
Tbf Floyd used to have balls & I think that is why so many are annoyed with his antics. He never used to be a major duck. There was certain guys he probably should of fought but even still he fought legit opposition in your Castillo's, Corrales etc
I used to be a big fan of Floyd but I seen through him a long time ago and got sick of defending such a diva.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostThey had to, they was forced to and had no choice.
Rigondeaux is that great that no fighter can take him out his element. Instead ignorant fans will claim he is limited, can't fight inside, etc
That is how great Rigondeaux is, he doesn't need to make drastic changes and that isn't the sign of a great boxer to me it really isn't.
Great boxers your Haglers, Monzon's, B-Hops, Tunneys etc only made minor adjustments
Also, a prime Mayweather, Hopkins or Whitaker could have kept it outside as well but didn't because their games are that refined. Roy Jones being the exception in Hopkins' case but yeah.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostTbf Floyd used to have balls & I think that is why so many are annoyed with his antics. He never used to be a major duck. There was certain guys he probably should of fought but even still he fought legit opposition in your Castillo's, Corrales etc
I used to be a big fan of Floyd but I seen through him a long time ago and got sick of defending such a diva.
Even some of the guys you mentioned like Casa, he beat both the guys that beat him. So it is what it is, no one fights everyone.
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I wonder who had his level of respect and skill recognition by their 14 fight. But unfortunately he didn't even turn pro in his early 20's so he would have to do some incridebly crazy pace of fighting and beating great fighters every fight (which seems unlikely because nobody wants to get in the ring with him) til he retires to be fairly compared. I don't count potential that's in the mind of the guy giving his opinion as you can tell by all the butthurt Donaire expats that try to minimize his skills.
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Originally posted by BendOver View Postactually benn head butt G-man into a coma and after that he put the beating on him, it was not until he hurt with his head that G-man slowed down and you always bring cordovas fight when talking about Rigondeaux, his first 12 rounder on his 6 professional fight and still cordova couldn't touch him, common man if you hate the guy just come out and say it, but the cordova thing is getting old, by the way I'm not saying he is the greatest just in case you take that route...Originally posted by New England View Postare you going to ignore the fact that we're forced to look at that fight because rigondeaux has done virtually nothing when compared to historic greats?
cordoba is one of his best wins, FFS.
see first the response to the other poster pertaining to the validity of the cordoba fight.
cordoba dropped and hurt rigondeaux. he ran for several rounds. he stunk the joint out. couldn't touch him
most, if not all of the rigondeaux fanboys started to watch him after he beat rico ramos. that's when the rigotards were born. they've never even seen the cordoba fight.
you guys have short memories. you need a long memory when you're taking about ranking a guy as the best pure boxer of th elast 25 years.
rigondeaux is one of thebest fighters of the last 25 years, yet i'm not allowed to talk about one of his best wins and his hardest fight? he's better than hopkins, mayweather, whitaker, because he beat nonito donaire, a limited fighter with great power? what else has he done? do you guys think when you say stuff?
i'm all done. i should take another break from bscene, to be frank. i'm turning into a grumpy old man, and i'm not old. the amount of time i waste on here is just ridiculous.
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you guys seem to think rigondeaux gets some kind of extra credit for having so few fights.
he does not.
you're talking about the best pure boxer of the last 25 years. those are your only criteria. you measure boxing ability by looking at the fights, and the opponents defeated. since it's in the last 25 years, we have high quality footage of virtually all of the fights.
i'll also add this:
i am not a rigondeaux hater. i hate a lot of his fans, or rather they piss me off. i don't really them.
i am realistic about rigondeaux as a draw, and people see that as me being a hater. they're generally clueless and petulant.
i think rigondeaux is the second best p4p fighter on the planet in the advent of mayweather's decline. the best fighter on the planet is andre ward. if all fighters were the same size, he'd be favored over everybody. it's a shame that neither is very active.
i'm out. fight it out amongst yourselves. just know that the people who think rigondeaux is the best pure boxer of the last 25 years are idiots.
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