Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[Jewish-Reptile]

It was well WORDED, but the content of which basically amounted to this...

"Tyson Fury's boxing was so good as to nullify Wladimir to the point that he was unable to land more than a handful of punches the entire fight including only 18 power punches, and that this would be true of any Wladimir."

bascially compresses to "Wladimir Klitschko, the most dominant champ in history with demonstratably an almost flawless display of boxing acumen ,EVIDENCED on film over decades now, cannot land punches on Tyson Fury"...

Posts from Bill can SEEM convincing to nut bag posters only. Most uneducated nutbags the same as Bill "zoom up" on isolated factors that seem to benefit their reasoning because they know that any form of big picture analysis kills them. Most do this one point per post or so. The difference with Bill is he incorporates multiple isolated points in the same post.

Where there is the exact same false logic however is that the big picture is still lost in the same way..

Stand back and look at it.. Wladimir could never have landed on Fury... OBVIOUSLY this isn't true! And it probably wont even be true in the rematch either WITH a shot Wladimir!

I seen a Wladimir not sharp enough to catch the opportunities that were there IN ABUNDANCE as has been noted already. The same evidence you so called seen in that fight to credit YOUR hypothesis is ALSO fully explainable with the above^^ and in fact falls in line more squarely with common sense.

But it's only because of the powerful nut bag agenda at work here that such garbology that Bill promotes can escape persecution for what it really is.

The nut bag agenda goes somewhat like this...

Fury to be made > Wlad anytime (removing the Soviet threat in favour of a more tolerable British one, a British threat that seems much much less invincible than Wladimir did)
Pre-pro boxers to be made > Fury and Wlad anytime (satisfying nostalgic racist american nut bags)
Wilder to be made > Fury and hence greater than Wlad too (satisfying nationalist and racist, financial and pride based American nut bags agendas)

ALL nut bag posts surrounding these topics will be geared toward these goals.

This whole Tyson Fury saga is merely a stepping stone to the main goals, these are not appraising Fury for his good qualities at all, it is a carefully calculated way to slam Wladimir and his whole career/era for having lost to what they want to promote as a CRAP boxer in Fury (and hence label Wlad a bum too),

Whilst I envisage this will be difficult to comprehend for the most in here, it really is an accurate view of the way this thread is now shaping up and the direction it is taking.

In fact minus the real hardcore Fury boys this is all this thread as ever been about, 'slam Klitschko, no great achievement for Fury in the event he does win etc etc .......'

I struggle to contain myself reading some of the posts cropping up in here now.

With Fury obligated to Klitschko, Wilder literally has nowhere to go except face his mandatory, lmao. American fan boys about to stuff themselves back in their incinerators again. 'Those pesky Russians (Wlad is Ukrainian) always spoiling the parties doe'

[billeau2]

I hope people can stop giving this jackoff any credit whatsoever: His arguments when challenged always amount to what he did that last post, an appeal to what people should obviously know is true. How strange that what is obvious to him is such utter hyperbole to any person who uses reason as a standard.

Elroid has never presented any reason what-so-ever for any of his outlandish assertions and he has certainly not presented any such information for his assertion that Vlad is shot. "We should all just know that the old fighters were inferior. We should all just know.....

Well...Anyone with half a brain should just know what Elroid is about.

[Jewish-Reptile]

I hope people can stop giving this jackoff any credit whatsoever: His arguments when challenged always amount to what he did that last post, an appeal to what people should obviously know is true. How strange that what is obvious to him is such utter hyperbole to any person who uses reason as a standard.

Elroid has never presented any reason what-so-ever for any of his outlandish assertions and he has certainly not presented any such information for his assertion that Vlad is shot. "We should all just know that the old fighters were inferior. We should all just know.....

Well...Anyone with half a brain should just know what Elroid is about.

Yet your posts read like a transparent book.

Don't get yourself upset when 'Elroid' schools you, just roll with it. Or you could resort to petulant insults, doe ! You've done all that already !

[billeau2]

Yet your posts read like a transparent book.

Don't get yourself upset when 'Elroid' schools you, just roll with it. Or you could resort to petulant insults, doe ! You've done all that already !

What possible connection to any agenda is there in making points that show up on any tape of the fact related to how fury won that fight. Why does there have to be an agenda?

Don't choose to be ridiculous. I would be obliged to apologize profusely if you could show me one concrete point that is not an opinion that elroy made, much less schooled me in.

If you look at the fight you can see all the things mentioned in my post, no matter one's agenda.

[Elroy1]

I hope people can stop giving this jackoff any credit whatsoever: His arguments when challenged always amount to what he did that last post, an appeal to what people should obviously know is true. How strange that what is obvious to him is such utter hyperbole to any person who uses reason as a standard.

Elroid has never presented any reason what-so-ever for any of his outlandish assertions and he has certainly not presented any such information for his assertion that Vlad is shot. "We should all just know that the old fighters were inferior. We should all just know.....

Well...Anyone with half a brain should just know what Elroid is about.

You completely ommitted the fact that Wladimir was missing clear openings all fight long, certainly a sign of either fading, a horrible showing or some of both.

I am about truth, no matter where it goes, totally adherent to the crushing mountain of evidence that is in support of "most" (ok not all) of what I write.

You on thew other hand give accounts based on nothing but your own gut feeling and faith and what is in line with what you view will amount to a "popular opinion".

[Elroy1]

What possible connection to any agenda is there in making points that show up on any tape of the fact related to how fury won that fight. Why does there have to be an agenda?

Don't choose to be ridiculous. I would be obliged to apologize profusely if you could show me one concrete point that is not an opinion that elroy made, much less schooled me in.

If you look at the fight you can see all the things mentioned in my post, no matter one's agenda.

That great nut bag agenda of yours.. You know, the only reason you have for being here?

Not to FULLY discredit your break down Bill, but it is certainly very very biased view with a clear and obvious agenda.

IT's what I like to call "spin". And just as you can spin the same story your way, I can easily spin them the other, except when I do it I keep to first principles, whereas you take your result you want as given and THEN seek an explaination.

[Elroy1]

Scott Wieland..

Only the real fans and experts of this sport can understand what's going on around here at the moment my friend!!

Sadly the behaviour will continue.

Even if Wladimir wastes Fury in the rematch, there will be SOME reason to further discredit Wladimir.

We should put ourselves deep into the darkness of the nut bag mind to try and predict what that "reason" might be

[BOMB ZQUAD]

Wilder beats both men

[Elroy1]

Wilder beats both men

It is an insult to all of these men, Fury, Vlad and Povetkin, to consider Wilder in the same league at this stage!

#BUM SQUAD!

[sunny31]

It is an insult to all of these men, Fury, Vlad and Povetkin, to consider Wilder in the same league at this stage!

#BUM SQUAD!

It will be hilarious if Wilder beats Povetkin and then Wlad...HILARIOUS. The funny part is that I think there is a distinct possibility that it happens. If it does, please don't hide from these forums because I will be looking for you. Wilder is nothing special but he can beat these guys because, quite simply, they are nothing special.