Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas Erupts - Shreds Martinez Over Canelo-Lara!

[-MAKAVELLI-]

i would give half of my next paycheck for a chance to hit Atlas in the face with a baseball bat

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

Of course he did enough. Take the ref's out of the picture for a second and pretend that this isn't a contest where you try to win and/or lose. Lets make it analogous to a heated scuffle outside of a bar. Two guys talking smack to each other and then one guy decides to attack with the intention of knocking the other guys head off, while the other **** talker is just backing up trying to survive.

Now to the casual eye, this would look like the guy who pressed and attacked got the better of the exchange even though it's not a competition. Maybe it wouldn't look this way if the other guy had no intention of fighting but got attacked anyway by the aggressive drunk, but they both talked like they were about to fight.

Lara didn't do enough to even come close to the vacinity of WINNING, never mind what Canelo did or didn't do. He at least tried to make something happen out of nothing. It's a waste of time trying to micro analyze the round by round scorecard. I understand the moderate position that it was a "close fight" and could of gone either way, citing the compubox as evidence, but it's irrelevant. Lara showed what YOU DON'T DO in a high profile fight because it won't even get you the win, yet alone the fan adoration that you need to keep selling tickets and get TV dates.

If you're going to be a "Pure Boxer" of sorts, you better be sure that your style and execution produces a DOMINANT PERFORMANCE that cannot be disputed by anyone. I.E. Bernard Hopkins at his best schooling Tito, Tarver, Pavlik etc,. Floyd schooling Gatti, Corrales, Canelo, Mosley etc,. Or Wladimir Klitschko - who a lot of people don't like for the way he fights. Yet can you ever dispute that he is winning EVERY SINGLE round in a fight. Can even the biggest hater say that he is not doing enough in rounds X, and Z and should lose the decision? Pure boxing better produce you 120-109 type of performances because if you're gonna keep 115-113-ing it, then maybe it's time to sack up and just FIGHT since your "pure boxing" isn't giving you the pure decision wins that you're looking for. And rather then complaining like some jaded Rapper who is pissed at mainstream Hip-hop artists for selling more records, step up and change your ways.

You're way too focused on what Lara didn't do, as in fighting the way YOU want him to fight. It's pretty clear nobody can truly make a case for Canelo. It's really unfair to claim that somebody like Lara has to dominate a fight and somebody like Canelo just has to follow them around.

[cupocity303]

You're way too focused on what Lara didn't do, as in fighting the way YOU want him to fight. It's pretty clear nobody can truly make a case for Canelo. It's really unfair to claim that somebody like Lara has to dominate a fight and somebody like Canelo just has to follow them around.

No, it's not unfair. If neither guy is truly effective (and landing a few more shots per the compubox stats doesn't count), then the guy trying to make the fight wins by default. Whether it's from the perspective of aesthetics of the overall fight, or round by round.

They're there to fight. It's prize fighting - KEYWORD being fightng. "Boxing" maybe the sport but the main criteria of Boxing is fighting and hitting someone. All the other intangibles (defense by moving, backpaddling) are only good if you're doing a masterful job outclassing the other guy that it's not even a debate as to who won (I.E. Wlad Klitschko Vs anybody).

[Da Machine]

Lara won 1,2,10, maybe 3. I could see 117-11 with a smidgen of bias.

[cupocity303]

Sidenote: I think I can beat Canelo -

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=646488

[BoxPrep]

No, it's not unfair. If neither guy is truly effective (and landing a few more shots per the compubox stats doesn't count), then the guy trying to make the fight wins by default. Whether it's from the perspective of aesthetics of the overall fight, or round by round.

They're there to fight. It's prize fighting - KEYWORD being fightng. "Boxing" maybe the sport but the main criteria of Boxing is fighting and hitting someone. All the other intangibles (defense by moving, backpaddling) are only good if you're doing a masterful job outclassing the other guy that it's not even a debate as to who won (I.E. Wlad Klitschko Vs anybody).

I certainly hope you're watching the replay. Canelo stares at Lara nearly the entire fight. It's amazing how people overlook the fact that Canelo was as busy as Lara. Trout was busier when he fought Lara.

[BoxPrep]

Walking towards the opponent doesn't mean a fighter is "making the fight." Walking towards the the opponent behind punches -- behind an attack means they're making the fight.

[spytactics]

i would give half of my next paycheck for a chance to hit Atlas in the face with a baseball bat

So what you are saying is you would pay $99.95 to hit Teddy Atlas?

[Bardock]

Lara won 1,2,10, maybe 3. I could see 117-11 with a smidgen of bias.

on my card lara won, 1,3,6,10

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

No, it's not unfair. If neither guy is truly effective (and landing a few more shots per the compubox stats doesn't count), then the guy trying to make the fight wins by default. Whether it's from the perspective of aesthetics of the overall fight, or round by round.

They're there to fight. It's prize fighting - KEYWORD being fightng. "Boxing" maybe the sport but the main criteria of Boxing is fighting and hitting someone. All the other intangibles (defense by moving, backpaddling) are only good if you're doing a masterful job outclassing the other guy that it's not even a debate as to who won (I.E. Wlad Klitschko Vs anybody).

How was Canelo "trying to make the fight" when he stopped almost every time he had Lara cornered on the ropes? And lets not forget, he had no answer for Lara's counterpunching and yet, you want to give him credit for just walking into them? If Canelo was "trying to make the fight", then he should have made Lara fight his fight and he couldn't.