Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 7/12/2014

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  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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    Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 7/12/2014

    I'm only going to touch the 4 main fights even though there were more.

    Mauricio Herrera vs Johanne Perez

    I really enjoy watching Herrera fight, I thought Perez did a better job than expected, but in the end Herrera really boxed well and took the fight over. He is so underrated IMO and I really hope he gets the fights and the pay days he deserves. I love his awkward style, the way he sets up the jab by being so off rhythm, throws it from an angle, standing straight up, on the move, he can do so much with that punch. Nobody wants to fight this guy, and it's obvious why.

    Francisco Vargas vs JuanMa Lopez

    This is a classic example of how 31 can be old. At 31 years old, JuanMa looks to have a million miles on the odometer. Not taking anything away from Vargas, but JuanMa can't take a shot anymore. I hope for his safety and the rest of his life, he quits boxing after being a really good fighter for so long. Vargas I believe is close to 30 and they need to push this guy fast. He has a lot of tools, and isn't just a come forward fighter. He can box, pressure and counter punch and depending on how fast he continues to improve, I really like watching him fight.

    Abner Mares vs Johnathan Oquendo

    This was a sloppy fight IMO. Oquendo was the stronger fighter, and was doing well early on but then Mares adjusted in the later rounds and pulled it off. Mares didn't look sharp though, the time off affected him and hopefully he stays busy and looks better the next time we see him. He just looked off, wasn't countering the way we are used to seeing and looked a little bit slower than usual. He needs to sharpen up if he's to fight Rigo.

    Canelo Alvarez vs Erislandy Lara

    I picked Canelo by stoppage in the 10th but also said that it could be a boring fight because of styles. Well, it was definitely an uneventful fight. Canelo isn't the pressure fighter people think he is, he's a counter puncher by trade and when he does come forward, does it with intelligence and caution. I knew Lara was going to move, but I expected him to throw more.

    In the first 3-4 rounds it was a very tough fight to score because neither man was really doing much. I gave those early rounds to Lara because he was moving a lot, but was landing 1-2's more often and keeping Canelo at distance. Then in the middle to later rounds, Lara stopped punching. I think there was a moment in the fight where Lara realized that Canelo is not only more powerful than he thought, but a better boxer than he expected.

    Mayweather vs Canelo played out much different and the comparisons aren't justified IMO. Mayweather moved yes, but also stood in front of Canelo and made him pay. He realized that Canelo was nowhere near the boxer he was, and standing in front of him wasn't really a risk. Where as Lara I think realized that the longer he stood in front of Canelo, the more risk it was because eventually he was going to get caught.

    Canelo did have a hard time cutting the ring off, but that's again because he comes forward but with caution. He's not going to come in like Angulo face first and risk getting caught with a big shot. Instead he was taking angles, using the jab effectively and going to the body beautifully. I do think those body shots also affected Lara even though he wouldn't admit it.

    I scored it 7-5 for Canelo, but I think a draw would have been justified. These fights are incredibly hard to judge because it depends on what style you like more. Do you score it for Lara who used better defense, movement and landed more head shots? Or do you score it for Canelo who pressured, used effective aggression and landed the better body shots and harder punches?

    It's a tough call and 115-113 either way was understandable but that last judge at 117-111 was a disgrace. Lara screwed himself though, he talked a lot leading up to the fight, he wanted this fight and called it the fight of his life and then shows up and.....DUD. Just doesn't do anything and thinks he's still in the Pan American games fighting in the international amateur system. This is the pro's and boxing and moving is great, but you have to land shots eventually. The Cuban school of boxing is fantastic....for the amateurs. For the pro's they need to learn to adjust, and understand that what wins in the end is throwing punches, it is boxing when all is said and done.

    I personally don't want to see a rematch, not because it's a hard fight for Canelo, but because of the styles. They just don't mesh well, the same reason I didn't want to see Canelo vs Mayweather again. Lara now has to go to the back of the line, and maybe we see Cotto and Canelo take a fight before a big showdown next year.

    Style wise, Canelo vs Cotto would be incredible. This has all the makings of FOTY and you mix in the Mexico vs PR thing, it's a mega fight.
  • SeekDaGreat
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    #2
    Guap the Mock always walking that talk! I agree!

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    • -PBP-
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      As a trainer how do you feel about Ronnie Shields telling Lara to keep doing what he was doing?

      From a guy that was in Whitaker's corner in the Chavez fight and in Veras corner against Chavez, shouldn't he have known from experience that what Lara was doing was not enough to get him a decision in that environment?

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      • Bigg Rigg
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        Here's the thing, I can't see Canelos winning 7 rds. I didn't on fight night and I didn't when I watched it over. I see 7 rds for Lara. The fact that he said he would do this and that to Canelo has nothing to do with the outcome. Yeah, he didn't live up to it but that doesn't mean he didn't win 7 rds in the fight. I'm not going about it like oh if it's close he screws himself cuz Nelo is the money man and he cried for this shot for so long. I just watched the fight and scored it.

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        • BOXEO _
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          I scored the fight a draw. I don't ever want to see Lara on PPV again though. I'm glad they gave Canelo the decision, people don't pay to see fighters running a marathon for 12 rounds. Might not be right but i hate that style of boxing.

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          • bojangles1987
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            I hope they have a rematch. They won't do it right away, but I hope they do eventually. Fights like this should get rematches. The clash in styles works for me, and I'd like to see if one of them can do better the next time. Maybe they both do better the next time.

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            • Bigg Rigg
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              #7
              Originally posted by B0XEO
              I scored the fight a draw. I don't ever want to see Lara on PPV again though. I'm glad they gave Canelo the decision, people don't pay to see fighters running a marathon for 12 rounds. Might not be right but i hate that style of boxing.
              You should be mad at GB and Canelo, his last two fights should not have been on ppv. Angulo and Lara.

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              • Cleto_Reyes
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                Originally posted by Bigg Rigg
                Here's the thing, I can't see Canelos winning 7 rds. I didn't on fight night and I didn't when I watched it over. I see 7 rds for Lara. The fact that he said he would do this and that to Canelo has nothing to do with the outcome. Yeah, he didn't live up to it but that doesn't mean he didn't win 7 rds in the fight. I'm not going about it like oh if it's close he screws himself cuz Nelo is the money man and he cried for this shot for so long. I just watched the fight and scored it.
                Even lara himself proudly stated that he made canelo miss. Well you have to do more than make the other guy miss to win a fight. 55 jabs landed out of 107 total punches landed also dont win you the fight. 88 powers shots landed out of 97 punches landed seems more devistating. in an amatuer fight this would of been laras fight totally . but they count body shots in the pros and the right man won

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                • Bigg Rigg
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                  Originally posted by Cleto_Reyes
                  Even lara himself proudly stated that he made canelo miss. Well you have to do more than make the other guy miss to win a fight. 55 jabs landed out of 107 total punches landed also dont win you the fight. 88 powers shots landed out of 97 punches landed seems more devistating. in an amatuer fight this would of been laras fight totally . but they count body shots in the pros and the right man won
                  Honestly, I don't even remember seeing Canelo land all those huge power shots. He landed punches but it's not like he was pounding Lara. And he only outlanded Lara in 3 rds. I had Lara winning, just my opinion.

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                  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                    Originally posted by PBP
                    As a trainer how do you feel about Ronnie Shields telling Lara to keep doing what he was doing?

                    From a guy that was in Whitaker's corner in the Chavez fight and in Veras corner against Chavez, shouldn't he have known from experience that what Lara was doing was not enough to get him a decision in that environment?
                    This is the thing, a trainer doesn't have strings to his fighter like a puppet. (Believe me we wish we did LOL)

                    In reality you create a game plan that best fits your fighter and what you want to do against the opponent. In this case, I thought the game plan was correct, I just thought that Lara didn't take enough chances and the reason is because he realized that Canelo is a better boxer than he expected.

                    If you look at the Angulo vs Lara fight, Lara stood more in front of Angulo because he was easily out boxing him. So Angulo had to just absorb shots, and hope his shots ended the fight, which they almost did.

                    Against Canelo, he stood in front of him for a second, and realized that Canelo can box. So the more he stood there, the bigger chance he was going to get caught with a big shot and he wasn't trying to risk that. Which is fine if you are moving and punching, which IMO Lara wasn't doing enough.

                    He was moving well, throwing a 1-2, then moving off for the rest of the round. Then Canelo spent the rest of the round chasing him, landing a jab here and there and some hard body shots. So who do you give that round to? Incredibly hard to decide.

                    I think the game plan by Ronnie Shields was correct, but I guarantee you behind closed doors Shields was telling Lara that he had to throw more and take a little bit more risks.

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