Who likes Ali?

[young_robbed]

I can tell you right now, if I was around that time I wouldve hated the guy. He wouldve been the Floyd or Broner of today. But I wasnt so I enjoy his fights and his style.

No no no, not at all the same thing as Broner or Floyd. Because Ali took on all challenges. Broner and Floyd have been known to avoid fighters. Ali was important for civil rights and was a huge figure for the black community at the time. Broner and Floyd don't do **** for the black community in comparison to Ali.

[arraamis]

One of the best boxers ever, clever guy, charismatic and looked like a male model, but who actually likes that guy?
He was a douche but sadly that is overlooked because of his brilliance as a fighter and as an entertainer. I'm not saying you have to be perfect, but Ali went pretty low on constant basis.
I don't know if he changed as a person and I respect his choice of opposing Vietnam's war, but I just can't look up to a man who acted like he acted.

Do you honestly believe that anyone on earth cares who you look up to

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

No no no, not at all the same thing as Broner or Floyd. Because Ali took on all challenges. Broner and Floyd have been known to avoid fighters. Ali was important for civil rights and was a huge figure for the black community at the time. Broner and Floyd don't do **** for the black community in comparison to Ali.

I get where you're coming from and I agree. I was talking more about their mouthpiece. Ali was probably worse than them. What he did to Frazier was brutal.

[Ilves]

Well, it is boxing. They make a living through violence and you expect them to be great people? No one here knew Ali. They knew the media creation and boxing persona of Ali. Different people.

They punch people in the face for money. They try to destroy another human for entertainment, to get paid.

The majority of boxers come from terrible backgrounds, poverty stricken, grow up in a life that very few here know and understand. They grow up to fight, then when they achieve fame, money, adoration, that fighter doesn't suddenly leave. In fact, that can make things worse because they see it all as a ridiculous fake world they live in.

They get treated like **** by the boxing world, everyone loves them when they're on top, then are promptly swept under the rug when they're down.

You'd be surprised how many boxers are serious ****ups as humans. It's a harsh life, and they often come from even harsher backgrounds.

What do you except. It's great when some of them are sensible, well adjusted people, but they are also often the ones that didn't come from the bad backgrounds.

We watch them, and thus give them fame and fortune, for their ability to **** someone else up, not their manners.

I guess boxing isn't to you what boxing is to me. To me boxing is sweet science-constant learning. It's harsh combat- one needs to be humble to stay safe. The countless hours of just repeating the same patterns to be able to do them with maximal balance and form- it's mesmerizing and the hours just fly by. It's the feeling of fear, victory, grace, embarrassment, oneness with the opponent and the opposition with the opponent... everything in one as paradoxal as it seems. You feel you are part of the team but in the ring you feel all alone, but when the match is over you feel like you have done something spiritual.

If boxing is just two guys beating each others in a ring without any class, spirituality or manners, I understand how you don't have problems with the behavior of Ali. But to me boxing much more than two guys/chicks beating the **** out of each others.

I reckon a lot of eastern european fan boys and american white supremacists or british skin heads are going to hate him

I think it's weird how white supremacy and Eastern Europe fanboyism has to be taken into the talk whenever a great black athlete is criticized.
And like I said, he did great things but it's not an excuse for the bad stuff he said. Often person's heart can be seen by the negative things they are willing to do and say without repenting and not by how much money they give to charity.

[Ilves]

Do you honestly believe that anyone on earth cares who you look up to

Are you hurt because someone said something about Ali or are you just that mean? I just stated I cannot look up to Ali because of his behavior, no reason to get so hostile. Do you go around this forum saying "Do you think anyone cares? LOL" to every comment you don't find to be the most relevant thing in the world?

[CatchAndShoot]

Ali's a loud mouth with a good soul. You can clearly tell he's a good person.

You can't compare Floyd and Broner's personalities to Ali. Not even comparable.

Ali, ****y, brash, loud mouth, seems like a good guy.

Floyd/Broner, ****y, brash, loud mouth, seems like they'd sucker punch you in a street fight.

[soul_survivor]

I think it's weird how white supremacy and Eastern Europe fanboyism has to be taken into the talk whenever a great black athlete is criticized.
And like I said, he did great things but it's not an excuse for the bad stuff he said. Often person's heart can be seen by the negative things they are willing to do and say without repenting and not by how much money they give to charity.

the reason people like you are mentioned is because you lie and cheat.

every and anyone who has met Ali personally, especially fans, say he was generous and kind and humble and always willing with his time.

what ws bad about him? that he bad mouth frazier? was frazier an angel? did frazier apologise or was it ali who attempted to make peace?

thing is the internet is filled with racist trolls and that's a fact. you wouldnt ever make these points in person cos most people would laugh you out the room.

[BIG GUNZ]

My dad can't stand him since he didn't go to Vietnam. I'm guessing most of the people who fought in the Vietnam War really don't like him though for what he did.

[Weebler I]

QUOTE=soul_survivor;14758457]maybe you should watch his videos in context and realise they were merely fight promotions. none of what he said was mean spirited besides the Frazier taunts...then again, in the late 60s and early 70s, Frazier actually called Ali by his old name of Clay, when he full well knew what that meant to Ali, his religion and his life.

I'm not making excuses for Ali calling frazier the names he did, especially in the build up to their 3rd fight but there was a reason for him going further than he had ever before. To his credit he apologised and it was Frazier who sadly stayed bitter his entire life and tried humiliating him when he was old, PD sufferer and defenseless. I hope they made up on his deathbed.[/QUOTE]

If it was tongue-in-cheek then I probably wouldn't have minded him. But, if it was genuine arrogance then nah.

[arraamis]

Are you hurt because someone said something about Ali or are you just that mean? I just stated I cannot look up to Ali because of his behavior, no reason to get so hostile. Do you go around this forum saying "Do you think anyone cares? LOL" to every comment you don't find to be the most relevant thing in the world?

That's not hostile homie .... its just a question.

Here's the bottom line, there have been many that shared negative opinions and thoughts about Ali over the course of his life. But you will not find a better humanitarian for the world or the sport of boxing than Muhammad Ali.

Sure, he was verbally crude at times, and he was verbally abusive on more than several occasions, but in no way can his actions be misinterpreted as anything but humane.

So, do you go by the words or the actions of an individual?

That's why, at a certain point, one has to ask whether people who harbor negative opinions of Ali, really matter. Because he's done more to help others than all the negative thinkers combined and in actuality, its not even remotely close. So, while his detractors continue to entertain his negative past, Ali has moved on to embrace not only a positive lifestyle but also, a lifestyle that helps the less privileged in society.

Think about it ............