Who likes Ali?

[FeFist]

Yes, and the majority of people saying ''He was too much'' more than likely don't know what it is like being in a racially hostile environment; being arrogant and over the top are necessary shields.

[Ilves]

the reason people like you are mentioned is because you lie and cheat.

every and anyone who has met Ali personally, especially fans, say he was generous and kind and humble and always willing with his time.

what ws bad about him? that he bad mouth frazier? was frazier an angel? did frazier apologise or was it ali who attempted to make peace?

thing is the internet is filled with racist trolls and that's a fact. you wouldnt ever make these points in person cos most people would laugh you out the room.

-Are you saying that I'm white supremacist? Or what do you mean by "people like me"?
-I have lied and cheated in my life, yes, but how does it have anything to do with this?
-What was bad about him? He was very mean, not only towards Frazier, he was part of racist movement (N.O.I) and I may have been racist myself towards white people in that situation where Ali was from, but it doesn't make it right. It just means that I would've been bad person myself also.
-If there was a talk about Ali's personality and I was involved in the conversation, I wouldn't shy from saying what I said here. Online or real life, doesn't matter. And nobody would laugh at my comment unless they were blinded by their cult-like following of Ali.
Nobody would be defending some Kurdish boxer who talked **** about people who share the ethnic background with the oppressors of Kurds (such as Turks, Arabs and Iranians) regardless of their actions, called different looking Kurds as kebab-makers and followed some cult that regarded Arabs, Turks and Iranians as people of the devil.
Do you realize that world is full of people that face racism everyday (much more than Ali), that have grown in hard conditions (much harder than Ali) and have no education, yet we would never let them act like Ali and regard them as magnificent role models.

[Ilves]

That's not hostile homie .... its just a question.

Here's the bottom line, there have been many that shared negative opinions and thoughts about Ali over the course of his life. But you will not find a better humanitarian for the world or the sport of boxing than Muhammad Ali.

Sure, he was verbally crude at times, and he was verbally abusive on more than several occasions, but in no way can his actions be misinterpreted as anything but humane.

So, do you go by the words or the actions of an individual?

That's why, at a certain point, one has to ask whether people who harbor negative opinions of Ali, really matter. Because he's done more to help others than all the negative thinkers combined and in actuality, its not even remotely close. So, while his detractors continue to entertain his negative past, Ali has moved on to embrace not only a positive lifestyle but also, a lifestyle that helps the less privileged in society.

Think about it ............

What does any of this have to do with his behavior? Like I said multiple times, he has done good stuff. He still acted like a douche and was very mean. Words like the ones he said don't come out of a tree that is not rotten by hate and evil.
Is he a changed man?
-He might be. I don't know who he is nowadays, if he has changed I'm happy for him and I know people make mistakes, so I never hold anything against anyone. Doesn't change the fact that he acted like 13 year old douche.

[arraamis]

What does any of this have to do with his behavior? Like I said multiple times, he has done good stuff. He still acted like a douche and was very mean. Words like the ones he said don't come out of a tree that is not rotten by hate and evil.
Is he a changed man?
-He might be. I don't know who he is nowadays, if he has changed I'm happy for him and I know people make mistakes, so I never hold anything against anyone. Doesn't change the fact that he acted like 13 year old douche.

So, let me get this straight ... You're complaining in 2014, about how abusive Ali was in the 60's and 70's and haven't taken even a short moment to evaluate what he's been doing the last FOURTY-FIFTY YEARS!?!?!?!?



Dude, you should just stop here

[jcruz65]

I think what is more important is that we learn from what Ali has done in his life. To me Ali looked less likeable because of all he did which were contrary to the golden rule, but let's just say he did all of that in poor judgment.

At those times his mind probably had not matured enough to know that he has hurt people by his actions. But later in his life he changed, and even asked forgiveness from the great Joe Frazier for treating him poorly instead of returning the favor that Joe did to get him out of jail.

Bad decisions by Ali is not something to emulate by younger generations, it is definitely wrong to be not nice to people. But we become who we are by stroke of luck on the quality of guidance that we have from our older folks, and we can't really blame Ali entirely. And nature always has its ways of making us pay for our actions, whether we do good or bad.

As a boxer Ali was one of the best in terms of skill level and fearlessness, and brought much entertainment and happiness to many people including myself and my old folks.

[Ilves]

So, let me get this straight ... You're complaining in 2014, about how abusive Ali was in the 60's and 70's and haven't taken even a short moment to evaluate what he's been doing the last FOURTY-FIFTY YEARS!?!?!?!?



Dude, you should just stop here

The Ali people are talking about is the boxer Ali, not the old Ali who might not even be behind all the humanitarian work as he is very ill old man. So yes, when people are praising Ali (the Ali that won the matches, not the new improved old gentleman) and think it's really funny and amazing when he is disrespecting his opponents and some talk show hosts, it bothers me. The fact that he might be (hopefully he indeed is and it's not just his PR team) great guy nowadays doesn't change his personality back then.
All the good for him, I wish nothing bad for Ali. I'm just bothered when people are praising the young Ali's behavior and personality.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I don't like him as a person.

[Ilves]

I think what is more important is that we learn from what Ali has done in his life. To me Ali looked less likeable because of all he did which were contrary to the golden rule, but let's just say he did all of that in poor judgment.

At those times his mind probably had not matured enough to know that he has hurt people by his actions. But later in his life he changed, and even asked forgiveness from the great Joe Frazier for treating him poorly instead of returning the favor that Joe did to get him out of jail.

Bad decisions by Ali is not something to emulate by younger generations, it is definitely wrong to be not nice to people. But we become who we are by stroke of luck on the quality of guidance that we have from our older folks, and we can't really blame Ali entirely. And nature always has its ways of making us pay for our actions, whether we do good or bad.

As a boxer Ali was one of the best in terms of skill level and fearlessness, and brought much entertainment and happiness to many people including myself and my old folks.

He might be a guy with good heart that was rotten by hate and frustration. I think very few people are actually bad and I don't think Ali was bad either, but his behavior and personality was mean and terrible.
I know this from experience. As a schoolboy I was very frustrated and angry, and it veiled the good sides of me. I don't think I'm mean or bad, but if someone is okay with my terrible behavior as a kid, I have problems with that because I deserved criticism. And I never went nearly as far as Ali in disrespect.

This is what I'm talking about, not saying he was actually some terrible baby-eating, mass-murdering rapist etc.

[Jloro]

How can you not like ALI?

[tangalog2200]

I'm sick of seeing true legends of the sport like Ali and Frazier denigrated on here. These Guys were true warriors who gave their lives and their health to the sport, and made it one of the most popular sports in the world at that time. It's a basic respect thing, Ali is an elderly, handicapped man now and Frazier has passed on. These men paid their dues to the sport and to the fans and deserve to be talked about with a degree of respect. That doesn't mean they are immune to criticism, but they should just be given that basic respect they more than deserve.

very well said....

i still could not see what the TS wishes to accomplish with this thread...