Lennox Lewis - How good was he?

[Mitchell Kane]

So really when you say the K's never fought an ATG.

Actually, it's just Wladimir that hasn't fought an ATG.

[Elroy1]

Actually, it's just Wladimir that hasn't fought an ATG.

Which again, is an abstract and meaningless concept.

[Elroy1]

Purrity was a bum. Lets get real. He was a tough journeyman at best, who Wlad should really win every single round against and maybe knock him out.

Brewster and Sanders weren't bums per se. Actually, sanders was far from it. But when you hear some guys talking about them being beasts and some of the hardest punchers in history, it makes you wonder what they are smoking.

Wlad was a heavy fav against both but drew the short straw on the night. It happens, but there's no reason to come up with these ridiculous excuses.

Wlad is a respected champion, and deservedly so. But that doesn't mean his resume is better than it is.

But there are only 3 boxers worth considering for the top HW resume..

Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Lennox Lewis...

Evander Holyfield had half a CW career and his record at HW is 26-10, he lost too many of those fights.

WK DID completely beat the crap out of Puritty and won practically every round, he gassed, as you know because WK had never been in those rounds before and had not learned that a big muscle man like himself has to pace themselves or they run out of steam. The only REASON Puritty survived at all, is because he had among the hardest chins of all time (undisputable) and he was a hard puncher who outweighed WK therefore able to capitalise on it at the end. This is not an excuse, but a definite explanation.

We all know Brewster was dodgey. And we all know about the Sander's sandwich punch, and the reasoning behind all this. Fact is WK picked up after all these losses and carried on making himself better like a true champion.

There is no other HW in history who has had 65 REAL 200+ HW fights and had LESS losses than WK. Fact!

Are you trying to tell me Sanders and Brewster could not have UPSET Lennox? That's ridiculous! Lewis might have underestimated him too, Lewis might have been butt-punched as well, Lewis might have tried to blow him out and failed to adapt to the awkward and aggressive southpaw style, speed and power of Sanders too, you don't know he wouldn't of, it's by no means a stretch of the imagination since he got caught out exactly like this 2ce before by guys without these awkward qualities.

Sander's MAIN problem, was he was only dangerous in the early rounds before he gassed. He KO'd WK early. He troubled VK and Rahman early, I doubt Lennox would have found Sander's an easy going opponent early either!

[yoz]

Why don't all the nostalgist F off from the thread..

Nobody cares about ****** arguments..

As soon as you say "But WK hasn't beaten any ATG's"..

Everything else you say loses all credibility..

The REASON which is obvious, there's no ATG's for them to beat is because they are SO good that no other ATG's could arise.

To fight an ATG you have to catch the overlap like Lewis did with Tyson, Holyfield and Vitali. This was possible because MT, EH and LL had much shorter reigns than VK or WK.

And of course in bum eras like Ali's, no dominance was ever established so there were multiple guys who fought on even footing which all got promoted to ATG. If they allowed other boxers to shine, they were never that great to begin with!

So really when you say the K's never fought an ATG, what your really saying is that VK and WK were so good they never let another ATG become established AND that their reign has been so long that there has been no cusps for them to catch previous or next generation ATG's on...

^^^THIS^^^ Is pretty much an argument stopper, now can we drop this garbage please, ATG rubbish belongs in the History section. It has no relevance.

WK would obviously be better prepared and more cautious for Sanders in a rematch. The chances of receiving another massive anvil butt-punch are also miniscule. He clearly developed better defence.

WK would obviously fight much more measured against Puritty in a rematch, a fight in which he beat the hell out of Puritty anyway! He clearly developed a more measured pace.

WK never legitimately lost to Brewster in the first place, beating the living **** out of him 2ce. If it WAS steroid overdose, WK learned how to better manage his drug administration. If he was drugged, the odds of a repeat are rare, if it was natural causes, again the odds are slim! He did avenge anyway!

VK CRUISED to a victory against Byrd. IF Byrd pegged VK back at all toward the end it was ONLY because of the torn shoulder. Without that VK increases his lead and wins easily. Even WITH the torn shoulder he could have stood there and won. The odds of being gifted 2ce via serious injury are very rare.

Anybody who thinks WK and VK could not have easily avenged these losses is out of there mind.

Even the LL vs VK... LL RETIRED rather than rematch!

Sanders DUCKED the WK rematch...

Byrd flew AWAY from VK...

Puritty RETIRED...

Brewster got SMASHED by WK...

And so on.

Question. Why are you trolling this thread with talk of Wladimir?

Lennox vs. Wladimir discussion belongs in 'Fantasy Fights'.

[Elroy1]

Question. Why are you trolling this thread with talk of Wladimir?

Lennox vs. Wladimir discussion belongs in 'Fantasy Fights'.

Ask Laced Up too, he decided to bring the discussion to this level also.

I am prepared to drop this comparison though.

[Simurgh]

Unfortunately whenever it comes to Lennox the first thing that goes along are Klitschkos.
Go to the first page and see for yourself how it all started.

and how many threads (not posts) we had about WK/VK vs Lennox. I really think that for every single post in this thread I can find 5 equivalent posts in other, older threads. It's all said many many times.

the usual BS..

[Boxing Goat]

Looking at men with their shirts off is gay?

On a BOXING forum?

Stop embarrassing yourself and log off

Yea when it's in a sport that normally doesn't include the players having their shirts off. You suck at life in general. Crawl back under your cow patty and stay there.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yea when it's in a sport that normally doesn't include the players having their shirts off. You suck at life in general. Crawl back under your cow patty and stay there.

Still saying that Lewis wasn't considering retirement before he fought Vitali?

Delusional Klittards

[Boxing Goat]

Still saying that Lewis wasn't considering retirement before he fought Vitali?

Delusional Klittards

I'm past that and already dominated that discussion.

Go look at topless soccer players, you bum who trolls my posts.

[Weltschmerz]

Lennox should have rematched Vitali and/or fought Vladimir.

Instead, he retired with his tail between his legs