Lennox Lewis - How good was he?

[IMDAZED]

Maybe he wasn't down, I am not insisting on that.

Honestly I thought he went down vs Briggs and vs Bruno and maybe against Mercer off the top of my head but maybe he was just staggered.

If those are the only 2 times he has been down then that lends massive credit to Lewis for chin..

In fact that makes any question regarding Lewis's chin, being down only 2ce in an era of superheavyweight punchers, beyond ridiculous.

To that I completely concede!

Cheers to you, then. Lennox Lewis is the greatest HW since Larry Holmes.

[New England]

it's good to see someody accept being wrong in nsb like a man.

kudos to that guy. he learned something today, and will be a better man for it. now he knows that lewis had a very solid chin.


was he muhammad ali?
no
but he wasn't floyd patterson, either.

[LacedUp]

Maybe he wasn't down, I am not insisting on that.

Honestly I thought he went down vs Briggs and vs Bruno and maybe against Mercer off the top of my head but maybe he was just staggered.

If those are the only 2 times he has been down then that lends massive credit to Lewis for chin..

In fact that makes any question regarding Lewis's chin, being down only 2ce in an era of superheavyweight punchers, beyond ridiculous.

To that I completely concede!

You did insist though:

No, your lying, he did not only get KD 2ce in his career, he was down other times I know he was

[LacedUp]

it's good to see someody accept being wrong in nsb like a man.

kudos to that guy. he learned something today, and will be a better man for it. now he knows that lewis had a very solid chin.


was he muhammad ali?
no
but he wasn't floyd patterson, either.

Patterson actually got up every time, incl the Liston knockouts irrc.

[New England]

You did insist though:

it sounds like he's prepared to accept that he was wrong and move on.

to encourage others to be willing to do the same in the future, i suggest we commend him for his honesty and move forward.

[Elroy1]

it's good to see someody accept being wrong in nsb like a man.

kudos to that guy. he learned something today, and will be a better man for it. now he knows that lewis had a very solid chin.


was he muhammad ali?
no
but he wasn't floyd patterson, either.

I never said Lewis had a weak chin in the first place.

And comparing either Lewis or WK's chin to Muhammad Ali's who fought in an era of featherfist punchbags is an insult beyond words!

[Elroy1]

You did insist though:

Yes, I did that once, because I was sure of myself LOL I haven't actually checked but when someone else seemed **** sure as well I figured I MIGHT have been wrong

[LacedUp]

Wheter McCall is the best fighter is pure speculation, I'd say overall it's Sanders also speculation. The fight Sanders vs Rahman was a gas out in which Sanders was previously belting Rahman.

I wouldn't say so. I think McCall at the time was a very good fighter. Better than Rahman and Sanders for sure. Tougher as well.

Ok so I will grant you that if you also grant that WK was never outboxed by Sanders because it was of the same nature, both wiped out before action really commenced. Except McCall was not an awkward opponent like Sanders.

Yeah, I guess you could call both blow-outs.

He was CLEARLY outboxed and then KOed by Rahman, watch it again. And the incident with WK/Sanders was anything but minor LOL It's been covered completely in the article "Hahaha Corrie Sanders was a Golfer" see the anvil punch. That would have rocked anybody, there's a nice close up slomo.

I haven't seen the fight in a while, but I do remember he looked like shyt. Need to rewatch.

Same as WK, you agree, yes or no?

Except there is 1 difference...

On every occasion, LL got starched by a single shot...

WK has NEVER been starched by a single shot!

I guess that's true. But I don't think the punches he took were as good as the ones that put Lennox out either. But it's true Wlad was never stopped by one punch.

Ok that's probably right, so really when you say 8 times, it was really only on 6 different occasions (counting only the Peter ones individually because the other KD's happened at once) or even 6 considering different opponents. That's really not so bad.

What your really saying is that WK needs to be penalised further for GETTING UP from knockdowns?

I said 12 times, by 6 different opponents I believe. I don't even knock Wlad for it. He came back like a true champion. I just call out Klitschko fans on it, when they start calling Frazier chinny because he was knocked out by Foreman - a much better fighter than the ones who put Wlad out.

Being Heavy definitely makes you punch harder regardless of whether it is muscle or fat, that is a fact of pure physics and punch mechanics. I think he was down atleast a couple other times. I think WK and LL chins are about the same.

His chin isn't the thing of admiration but he has a good chin. He has survived huge shots from huge punchers and either shrugged them off or got up off the floor to win, and even when lost, still got up. He definitely has a decent chin.

They are great fighters, but they are all comparable to Haye and Povetkin and a slew of other WK opponents. Fact!

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Well I disagree. Dereck Chisora is 245 pounds for instance - can't squash a fly to save his life. David Haye is 210 and punches much harder - even Chisora said he punched harder than Vitali. That's just one of 100s of examples.

I think Lennox's chin is much much better than Wlad's. In fact, I think that's indisputable. Wlad seems like he gets rocked everytime he gets touched (which is not often by the way), but see Haye, Wach recently and of course all the times he's been knocked down.

No they're not. The list I just posted would have starched both Haye and Povetkin with ease.

[LacedUp]

it sounds like he's prepared to accept that he was wrong and move on.

to encourage others to be willing to do the same in the future, i suggest we commend him for his honesty and move forward.

Yes, I did that once, because I was sure of myself LOL I haven't actually checked but when someone else seemed **** sure as well I figured I MIGHT have been wrong

I can respect a poster who's willing to admit he was wrong.

I pride myself on the same thing. most of the time.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice.

Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial doctor stoppage. Lewis barely survived the 2nd round and almost got KO'd, he was badly hurt, holding on for dear life, wobbling everywhere and staggering around the ring like a drunk. Lewis was badly hurt several times in the fight and was getting outboxed, outworked, outmuscled and outlanded by Vitali.

punches landed

Vitali 156

Lewis 102


Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was clearly the fresher of the two, he was a man on a mission and would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued.

After the fight, Vitali intimidated the **** out of Lewis and made him look like a *****.

All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight.

Lewis promised Vitali a rematch.

Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The scared Lewis retired shortly after that fight.

Lewis turned down 40 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali.

Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his ***** ass into retirement.

George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!"

Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight"

Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch.

Lewis is scared to death of Vitali.

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