Comments Thread For: What is Al Haymon Planning?

[Daylyt]

Haymon will fail at trying to take over boxing. He can be the premier boxing promoter and compete with Top Rank and GBP but if he trys to mimic the the UFC model it was fail tragically.

[The Big Dunn]

If Haymon does the same thing they do- which is math their fighters against fighters from other promoters, I have no problem and you will not see me complaining.

If Haymon does what Haymons been doing- not giving us a single fight with other promoters fighters who actually no how to fight.... Everyone will have a problem.


K2, main events, and even Don Freakin king have and do match their fighters against fighters from other promoters. Golovkin-Geale. Stevens-Golovkin. Lebedev-jones. Crawfor-Gamboa. Etc. These promoters/fighters fighting good out of house fighters literally happens every month.

It has not happened a SINGLE time with Haymon yet. There have been 3 examples posted in this thread. Garcia-Matthysee, Broner-Maidaina and Stiverne-Arreola. The first two were all Haymon fighters. The last one was mandated by the WBC. Actually the only one I can think of is Rodriguez-Ward....

It is what if is.... If the latter continues to happen. No true boxing fan should support that.

If HBO continues to ban Haymon fighters-how do you blame Haymon for that dude? Thats HBO, we should be able to agree on that.

Duva, K2 are all remaining loyal to HBO as their reps have said. If they work exclusively with HBO, and HBO bans Haymon, again how do you blame Haymon for that?

If Haymon makes the decision to keep his fighters off HBO and refuses to work with other promoters-then you'd have a valid point and would be right to hold him accountable.

[King_]

If HBO continues to ban Haymon fighters-how do you blame Haymon for that dude? Thats HBO, we should be able to agree on that.

Duva, K2 are all remaining loyal to HBO as their reps have said. If they work exclusively with HBO, and HBO bans Haymon, again how do you blame Haymon for that?

If Haymon makes the decision to keep his fighters off HBO and refuses to work with other promoters-then you'd have a valid point and would be right to hold him accountable.

I don't think HBO bans Haymon fighters bro. If they simply refused to work with Haymon then I hear you. But they had Edwin Rodriguez fight Andre Ward

Hershman himself said they're open to working with Haymon.

But most importantly, you have to remember why hbo even kicked off GBP/Haymon in the first place: continuously having fights like Broner-Rees and million dollar pay days for the Andre Bertos of the boxing world to fight TBA

If HBO simply refuses Haymon fighters because they're with Haymon, that would be completely different. I don't think HBO has a problem working with Haymon.... The question is: Is Haymon willing to match his fighters against GOOD fighters?

Isn't quillin with Haymon? There was an article here about a month ago where it said that k2 sent a contract to Quillin to fight Golovkin. HBO is interested In those kind of fights......... Not quillin vs. Fernando Guerrero and Lukas Koniceny. And rightfully so

[AddiX]

I don't think HBO bans Haymon fighters bro. If they simply refused to work with Haymon then I hear you. But they had Edwin Rodriguez fight Andre Ward

That fight was made before the ban, that was there last fight. And somehow Haymon still got almost a million $ payday for rodriguez.

Hbo didn't go out and say they won't work with GBP, but when they banned them they banned Haymon.

They don't wont waste there time building stars for GBP and Haymon anymore, just to watch them bring there guys to Showtime. Those days are done, GBP and Haymon screwed that up good, now Haymon needs to convince investors to invest in airtime from NBC...

Good luck with that. I highly doubt anyone hands him a 20 million $ blank check, unless his name is Floyd Mayweather.

[AddiX]

Can you people stop with this UFC business model, there is no UFC business model coming to boxing, get over it. It makes almost no sense to even say that.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't think HBO bans Haymon fighters bro. If they simply refused to work with Haymon then I hear you. But they had Edwin Rodriguez fight Andre Ward

Hershman himself said they're open to working with Haymon.

But most importantly, you have to remember why hbo even kicked off GBP/Haymon in the first place: continuously having fights like Broner-Rees and million dollar pay days for the Andre Bertos of the boxing world to fight TBA

If HBO simply refuses Haymon fighters because they're with Haymon, that would be completely different. I don't think HBO has a problem working with Haymon.... The question is: Is Haymon willing to match his fighters against GOOD fighters?

Isn't quillin with Haymon? There was an article here about a month ago where it said that k2 sent a contract to Quillin to fight Golovkin. HBO is interested In those kind of fights......... Not quillin vs. Fernando Guerrero and Lukas Koniceny. And rightfully so

That was one fight where ward needed an opponent.Herschman came in an moved Haymon because Haymon worked with GBP and Espinoza got the SHowtime job.

How many fights since then? that was almost a year ago. Herschman himself said he wouldn't work with Haymon. come on, Herschman even fired Kerry Davis because he was close with al.


As to the question-what does history tell you? as i asked earlier-you gonna use just the proposed 8/9 card or are you going to use other cards?

Yes, quillin is with Haymon. He also fights on showtime. K2 may have sent contract-if it was rejected-shame. Why was it rejected?

AGain as we saw with Kovalev/stevenson HBO blew it and everyone decided to blame Haymon. we know why that happens on NSB. Blame haymon when he deserves it and we have no problem.

[The Big Dunn]

That fight was made before the ban, that was there last fight. And somehow Haymon still got almost a million $ payday for rodriguez.

Hbo didn't go out and say they won't work with GBP, but when they banned them they banned Haymon.

They don't wont waste there time building stars for GBP and Haymon anymore, just to watch them bring there guys to Showtime. Those days are done, GBP and Haymon screwed that up good, now Haymon needs to convince investors to invest in airtime from NBC...

Good luck with that. I highly doubt anyone hands him a 20 million $ blank check, unless his name is Floyd Mayweather.

This is a smart post. HBO definitely wasn't going to help SHowtime beat them and they shouldn't have to. No matter what haymon is or isn't planning, he can't change how young fighters are built.

If he can use the NBC and CBS family of networks to build young fighters and get them exsposure-good move.

[King_]

That was one fight where ward needed an opponent.Herschman came in an moved Haymon because Haymon worked with GBP and Espinoza got the SHowtime job.

How many fights since then? that was almost a year ago. Herschman himself said he wouldn't work with Haymon. come on, Herschman even fired Kerry Davis because he was close with al.


As to the question-what does history tell you? as i asked earlier-you gonna use just the proposed 8/9 card or are you going to use other cards?

Yes, quillin is with Haymon. He also fights on showtime. K2 may have sent contract-if it was rejected-shame. Why was it rejected?

AGain as we saw with Kovalev/stevenson HBO blew it and everyone decided to blame Haymon. we know why that happens on NSB. Blame haymon when he deserves it and we have no problem.

What other fights? You said Broner-Maidiana, Garcia-Matthysee and Arreola-Stiverne... Broner, Maidiana, Garcia and Lucas are ALL with Haymon. So those do not count. And Arreola-Stiverne was ordered by the WBC. So what else is there? The 8/9 card follows exactly what he's been doing the whole time. It's nothing new. I'm not just cherry picking that particular card.

Why was it rejected? I don't know. Ask kid chocolate. But the point I'm making with that is if Quillin is with Haymon- k2 sent the contact (which had to have been approved by HBO) that shows they are willng to work with Haymon, no?

As for the Stevenson-Kovalev situation. Correct me if I'm wrong.... But HBO didn't reject Kovalev-Adonis or refuse to pay Adonis for that figh.... They refused to overpay Adonis to fight fonfara. Both guys took a tuneup in November, they were supposed to fight after that. Adonis signed with Haymon and then wanted ANOTHER tuneup. And probably wanted millions to fight Fonfara, not Kovalev.

Did HBO blow that, or did Stevenson/Haymon overprice themselves for a tuneup fight/Fonfara?

I don't look to blame Haymon when he is not to blame. But recent history shows Al Haymon fighters are only interested in million dollar pay days to fight Salkas and Fonfaras. Or am I missing something? If this isn't the case give me an example of a good Haymon fight that doesn't include 2 Haymon fighters, or a fight mandated by a sanctioning body?

The Haymon business model seems to be great for fighters. Fighting unworthy opponents for career pay days.... Absolutely no risk there. But what about the fans?

[King_]

That fight was made before the ban, that was there last fight. And somehow Haymon still got almost a million $ payday for rodriguez.

Hbo didn't go out and say they won't work with GBP, but when they banned them they banned Haymon.

They don't wont waste there time building stars for GBP and Haymon anymore, just to watch them bring there guys to Showtime. Those days are done, GBP and Haymon screwed that up good, now Haymon needs to convince investors to invest in airtime from NBC...

Good luck with that. I highly doubt anyone hands him a 20 million $ blank check, unless his name is Floyd Mayweather.

I'm pretty sure k2 sent a cornract a month or so ago for Quillin to fight Golovkin in HBO. Which HBO obviously had to approve

If this is true- then they're open to working with Haymon. Even if they don't want to build fighters only for them to bolt to show time

(I could be wrong)

[The Big Dunn]

What other fights? You said Broner-Maidiana, Garcia-Matthysee and Arreola-Stiverne... Broner, Maidiana, Garcia and Lucas are ALL with Haymon. So those do not count. And Arreola-Stiverne was ordered by the WBC. So what else is there? The 8/9 card follows exactly what he's been doing the whole time. It's nothing new. I'm not just cherry picking that particular card.

Why was it rejected? I don't know. Ask kid chocolate. But the point I'm making with that is if Quillin is with Haymon- k2 sent the contact (which had to have been approved by HBO) that shows they are willng to work with Haymon, no?

As for the Stevenson-Kovalev situation. Correct me if I'm wrong.... But HBO didn't reject Kovalev-Adonis or refuse to pay Adonis for that figh.... They refused to overpay Adonis to fight fonfara. Both guys took a tuneup in November, they were supposed to fight after that. Adonis signed with Haymon and then wanted ANOTHER tuneup. And probably wanted millions to fight Fonfara, not Kovalev.

Did HBO blow that, or did Stevenson/Haymon overprice themselves for a tuneup fight/Fonfara?

I don't look to blame Haymon when he is not to blame. But recent history shows Al Haymon fighters are only interested in million dollar pay days to fight Salkas and Fonfaras. Or am I missing something? If this isn't the case give me an example of a good Haymon fight that doesn't include 2 Haymon fighters, or a fight mandated by a sanctioning body?

The Haymon business model seems to be great for fighters. Fighting unworthy opponents for career pay days.... Absolutely no risk there. But what about the fans?

How can haymon make fights when a network has banned him? thats HBO, not haymon.

why would it have to be approved by HBO? I don't think it means that at all. K2 has had GGG fights off HBO. it shows k2 may have been willing to work with haymon-i'll concede that.

Yes, HBO blew it by not locking them up. why did HBO approve another tuneup anyway? had they done it right, Haymon couldn't have been a factor.

The fonfara fight was approved before Haymon got involved witgh stevenson. HBO approved it. why do you keep bringing that fight up as an indictment of hamon's business practices?

you can't use mandated by the wbc to miigte that fight. Mandates don't always mean fights happen-you know this. Floyd Hatton-is that acceptable?

I don't see how Haymon's job as a manager is to do whats best for fans. That said, have you as a fan always been disappointed by Haymon fights?

As a fan-do you celebrate danny v herrera and matts v molina as great fights or do you complain because they weren't great on paper or the fights you wanted at that time?