Phil Jackson : "Wladimir Klitschko hits harder than Lennow Lewis"

[Jedi Vader]

I don't really think that Lennox's career is more accomplished. At this point, Wlad's quantity >> Lennox quality of opposition. And it's not like his quality is the stuff of legends either.

He retired rather early and he only had 41 career wins. Hardly something to latch onto.

I stand by my statement.

Here's one which completely makes you look ******. So who is wrong, you or Steward?

I said that he was my best heavyweight. Because he did accomplish and do things that Wladimir has not did. He had big fights, he knocked out opponents. Wladimir has more talent, but the one that you have to give the credit, to the people who have actually beaten good fighters. And Lennox beat more good fighters than Wladimir has at this stage, although Wladimir has more talent than Lennox. But he has to actually not only just show that he has talent, he has to actually demonstrate his talent. Not just hold back, hold back, and only knock out people when I go crazy and curse him out because he will not let his missiles go. He's got to come out and be more aggressive this time himself, and not be too intelligent, too conservative, too analytical. He's playing a chess game -- he's got to be more natural. If he does that, he could be one of the best heavyweights ever. At this stage e has not did it. I'm hoping he will do this in the fight coming up.

[LacedUp]

You're right, we don't know. We don't know one way or the other. And you don't know and aren't making sense with your ignorant blowout predictions (which is more provocateur trolling than anything.)

All we have to go on is their overall body of work and Wlad's work continued beyond 2002 or 2005. Wlad isn't the same fighter that he was in those 3 loses and has mitigated whatever flaws he had, from stamina issues (by fighting more conservative aka more effective using his experience, to perhaps being in better shape as well), chin issues (by using better defense), to straighter punching with moderate footwork while keeping a tall posture.

And yet both guys have flaws and have gotten knocked out against lesser fighters.

Or maybe it's just because you're a flaming klitto ***ual?

Scared to do anything but jab... Knocks him unconscious for 5 minutes... Close enough

lol. A guy who's 5 inches shorter and 40 pounds lighter - he finally throws a left hook with 1 second of the fight to go!

Bravo Wlad! Bravo!!

[LacedUp]

well,,,lennox has never been in with a guy with wlads size,,,punching power and athletic ability combination so its kind of a wash imo. wlad hits much much harder than vitali and vitali did shake lewis with a right hand early in the fight

Really? What about Tucker, Golota, Grant, Vitali, Ruddock amongst others?

[SBleeder]

Sorry, but when I see "Phil Jackson", this is who I think of:





Takes me a few seconds to remember that there was an unremarkable fighter of the same name.

And Jordan > Kobe

[Elroy1]

I think Wlad is a great heavyweight but just not as complete as Lewis. I think Lewis is far more proven in this respect. He showed heart against Mercer, and some fucken blitzing combinations on the inside,




Against Golota the ability for a quick KO (aside from the low blows previously beat Bowe),

He defeated Holyfield handily in the first bout, and flipped the script by stopping Vitali.

Wlad has shown the ability to break down his opponents but he understands as with the losses against Brewster that he does not like to get hit. This is main difference between Wlad & Lewis in mentality, Lewis could like Wlad stink out a joint if he needed to but if he needed to go to war: he could. Wlad as great as he is just doesn't have that dog in him.

Although I don't agree with opinion I at least respect you for at least trying to have a discussion. Wlad kinda suffers from his era, very dominant but has not been able to have a signature against another ATG in his era. He lost against Sanders in the Lewis Era so I don't how well he would do against those fighters. I just feel he kinda overrated by his fans.

Although I don't agree with a lot of your points mate, there are some that I do. You wrote a very good post.

The business you mentioned at the bottom was speculator rubbish.

I have heard the other half the story that WK had more decent opponents than Lennox! And Lennox was not as dominant against those opponents!

The first part of that statement is as much speculation as your bit but the second is totally correct.

Sanders was/would be highly dangerous against any Lennox era opposition and Lennox himself.

He was lucky against Vitali, he won the fight but Vitali "beat" Lennox.

WK could also easily beat Golota. He would not have blown him out as fast, that's not his style I agree.

The main thing that is correct is that WK is overly defensive and does not turn as aggressive like LL. But I disagree he has a much weaker chin than Lewis, he just prefers to turn boxing into a chess match, because he can. Minimal risk is the prevailing theory of the day for the 2 most dominant champs in boxing history today, Floyd and Wladimir. I wont blame him for that.

Lewis was more exciting though I believe, I rewatch his fights more than Wladimir's.

[Elroy1]

Really? What about Tucker, Golota, Grant, Vitali, Ruddock amongst others?

Those are excellent opponents.

But they are not at WK's level, the closest thing LL has ever fought to the level of WK is VK, who spanked him in reality and WK has some features more impressive than VK.

Those guys, apart from Vitali would be outclassed and beaten easily against WK, same as his own opponents.

And before you mention any of WK's losses, I refer you to the term "punchers chance", same as Lenny's losses.

[LacedUp]

Those are excellent opponents.

But they are not at WK's level, the closest thing LL has ever fought to the level of WK is VK, who spanked him in reality and WK has some features more impressive than VK.

Those guys, apart from Vitali would be outclassed and beaten easily against WK, same as his own opponents.

And before you mention any of WK's losses, I refer you to the term "punchers chance", same as Lenny's losses.

I'm not saying they are as good as Wlad, but they had similar dimensions to Wlad. And I believe that version of Vitali would have beaten any version of Wlad. Too tough and too strong.

And spanked him is a bit much, don't be silly. He ended up with 50 stitches.

Sure, both have losses. Difference is, Lewis avenged his losses.

[damuttz112]

I'm not saying they are as good as Wlad, but they had similar dimensions to Wlad. And I believe that version of Vitali would have beaten any version of Wlad. Too tough and too strong.

And spanked him is a bit much, don't be silly. He ended up with 50 stitches.

Sure, both have losses. Difference is, Lewis avenged his losses.

Not only was more proven as shown by his full repertoire, his quality of opposition is great. I mean who the fuck beats everyone they faced? It's bloody ridiculous Laced.

[LacedUp]

Not only was more proven as shown by his full repertoire, his quality of opposition is great. I mean who the fuck beats everyone they faced? It's bloody ridiculous Laced.

Lewis definitely showcased his talents against greater opposition more times than Wlad for sure. It's sad actually, because if Wlad had Vitali's mindset he would have been a destroyer.

[Cutthroat]

Those are excellent opponents.

But they are not at WK's level, the closest thing LL has ever fought to the level of WK is VK, who spanked him in reality and WK has some features more impressive than VK.

Those guys, apart from Vitali would be outclassed and beaten easily against WK, same as his own opponents.

And before you mention any of WK's losses, I refer you to the term "punchers chance", same as Lenny's losses.

VK didn't whoop Lewis at all lmao, he was up 4-2, and that's after throwing everything he had at Lewis, VK wasn't going to be able to keep that insanely high work rate up all fight long, and was showing it, he was just as exhausted as Lewis.

Lewis absorbed everything VK could throw at him and was still standing, ready to fight.

WK is bad, he has 0 defense and can't take a shot, can't fight inside either. He's picking on a bunch of scrubs lmao.