Phil Jackson : "Wladimir Klitschko hits harder than Lennow Lewis"

[damuttz112]

Anybody who thinks that Lennox and WK isn't something close to a 50/50 fight is out of there mind.

Lewis was outboxed first and then pasted by Rahman and McCall, struggled with Holyfield and Mercer.

It's unreasonable to not think WK, 2ce the fighter as any of those could not possibly win.

I see it as a 70/30 fight in favour of Lewis. Unless Wlad somehow becomes Rid**** Bowe on the inside I can see him winning from the outside. Lewis will take him into the deep end like he did Vitali and it's gonna bloody test Wlad's will, Lewis showed how to beat a Klitschko by roughing Vitali up on the inside by taking away the size and reach advantage by imo I feel only Lewis could do it. Due to being a Super Heavyweight himself, with the size and strength you need those special qualities to take down a Klitschko.

[Simurgh]

Pretty much.

I'm fed up of these lauding/baiting threads now. Wladimir is a great HW, we all know that. There's no need to keep comparing him to other ATGs.

So what if this particular HW era isn't as great as others; Wlad still dominated and it's not his fault that the division is starved of live, competitive match ups. He can only beat who's in front of him.

This kind of **** is getting old.

Read this ^

[Weltschmerz]

I see it as a 70/30 fight in favour of Lewis. Unless Wlad somehow becomes Rid**** Bowe on the inside I can see him winning from the outside. Lewis will take him into the deep end like he did Vitali and it's gonna bloody test Wlad's will, Lewis showed how to beat a Klitschko by roughing Vitali up on the inside by taking away the size and reach advantage by imo I feel only Lewis could do it. Due to being a Super Heavyweight himself, with the size and strength you need those special qualities to take down a Klitschko.

Vitali and Vladimir are not the same fighters. They are quite different, actually. This nullifies your particular argument.

[GoldenGloveLove]

Coming from a guy who is a fan of both and rates Lennox higher and thinks Lennox has the hardest single punch between them: lol at the defensive reaction of crapping on Wlad and his opponents. I bet this happens to Wlad too that ten years after he retires, everybody puts down the next great heavyweight and all their opponents and don't think they're **** compared to Wlad and his opponents. We gonna be here hearing this about like Anthony Joshua too? "Mariusz Wach says Anthony Joshua hits harder than Wladimir Klitschko." Cue everybody having a hissyfit. "B-B-B-But Anthony Joshua fought an old Mariusz Wach a-a-a-and Povetkin said Wlad hits harder!" etc.

[Elroy1]

I see it as a 70/30 fight in favour of Lewis. Unless Wlad somehow becomes Rid**** Bowe on the inside I can see him winning from the outside. Lewis will take him into the deep end like he did Vitali and it's gonna bloody test Wlad's will, Lewis showed how to beat a Klitschko by roughing Vitali up on the inside by taking away the size and reach advantage by imo I feel only Lewis could do it. Due to being a Super Heavyweight himself, with the size and strength you need those special qualities to take down a Klitschko.

The odds are respectable, although I obviously think they're slanted, so no real issue there.

But your description which you use to reach those odds is badly flawed.

1. Vitali dominantly dished up Lewis. Lenny's inside skills were not the reason for any comeback Lewis established. The tears on Vitali's face caused by slashing shots from the sides of Lewis's gloves eventually took a toll on Vitali's sharpness OF COURSE. And STILL Vitali was ahead anyway. It should be no surprise that any lack of performance on VK's part would be due to the difficulty of fighting with that injury. A point conveniently overlooked by TKO6 Lewis nuthuggers.

WK has different qualities than VK. Chin and aggression etc might go to VK but WK is faster, slicker and more powerful etc. and more disciplined for example.

2. Rid**** Bowe being good "on the inside" is ONLY because he was not as good as the other 3 technical giants on the outside, he HAD to fight on the inside because he could not keep his opponents at bay as well with his jab and ranged shots.

3. WK's methods of restricting inside fighting, despite the criticism, is MASSIVELY effective!

4. Against other tall+skilled opponents such as Tony Thompson for example, the fight came down to outside punch speed and punch power of which WK was arguably better than Lennox. Of course, Thompson was not as good as Lewis but still it's something to consider!

[Axl Rose]

Lennox would definetly beat Wladimir, i just cant see Wlad having much of a chance against Lewis. But i think Vitali definetly could beat a prime Lewis.

[Elroy1]

Lennox would definetly beat Wladimir, i just cant see Wlad having much of a chance against Lewis. But i think Vitali definetly could beat a prime Lewis.

But Axel, what do you make of the Rahman and McCall losses? Or the Mercer fight? Surely it can't be denied that WK would easily outbox these opponents?

[M Bison]

Meh don't care what people say there is nothing to say Lennox Lewis would easily beat Wladimir.

There probably is enough ground to say Wladimir is probably the more intelligent man inside the ring and that could probably win him the fight...
What people are basing off Lewis "definite'y winning" is the punchers chance but its almost as if they forgot Its Wladimir Klitschko not Paulie Malinaggi!

Both Lewis and WK can both **** hard in my opinion I definitely think Wladimir has more one punch power than Lewis but I guess if you want to ignore the fact Lewis was sparked out by McCall and Rahman an pretend he has a granite jaw that is your choice..

[damuttz112]

I think Wlad is a great heavyweight but just not as complete as Lewis. I think Lewis is far more proven in this respect. He showed heart against Mercer, and some fucken blitzing combinations on the inside,




Against Golota the ability for a quick KO (aside from the low blows previously beat Bowe),

He defeated Holyfield handily in the first bout, and flipped the script by stopping Vitali.

Wlad has shown the ability to break down his opponents but he understands as with the losses against Brewster that he does not like to get hit. This is main difference between Wlad & Lewis in mentality, Lewis could like Wlad stink out a joint if he needed to but if he needed to go to war: he could. Wlad as great as he is just doesn't have that dog in him.

Although I don't agree with opinion I at least respect you for at least trying to have a discussion. Wlad kinda suffers from his era, very dominant but has not been able to have a signature against another ATG in his era. He lost against Sanders in the Lewis Era so I don't how well he would do against those fighters. I just feel he kinda overrated by his fans.

[Jedi Vader]

Lennox wasn't invicible either. In quite a few fights he was in trouble. But he found the way to win (that's what counts).

Of course power isn't everything. But I rate Wlad's jab, defence, speed and the footwork over Lennox.

Lennox has better chin, inside game and might know a few trick that Wlad doesn't.

As I said 50:50 for me... saying it would be blow off either way is silly IMO.

I heard Maneul saying Lennox had a better resume (or he proved himself more), but I never heard him saying he ranks Lennox higher H2H or that Lennox would win... I know of the interview in which he said he can't tell and that Wlad could put Lennox in trouble. Not saying he didn't say it, just I never saw it. Could you find me that one...

Here you go Mrs Klitschko :bukkake:

"I said that he was my best heavyweight. Because he did accomplish and do things that Wladimir has not did. He had big fights, he knocked out opponents. Wladimir has more talent, but the one that you have to give the credit, to the people who have actually beaten good fighters. And Lennox beat more good fighters than Wladimir has at this stage, although Wladimir has more talent than Lennox. But he has to actually not only just show that he has talent, he has to actually demonstrate his talent. Not just hold back, hold back, and only knock out people when I go crazy and curse him out because he will not let his missiles go. He's got to come out and be more aggressive this time himself, and not be too intelligent, too conservative, too analytical. He's playing a chess game -- he's got to be more natural. If he does that, he could be one of the best heavyweights ever. At this stage e has not did it. I'm hoping he will do this in the fight coming up."

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/7/1/...lennox-greater