Is there a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Pacquiao USED STEROIDS?

[The Big Dunn]

So why didn't Mayweather work with the proper sanctioning body to implement this advanced testing to make it a mandatory thing across the board instead of just singling out Pacquaio at the very time he's negotiating a fight with him? How su****ious is that? Lmao.

Dude Manny nor Floyd make up rules for boxing or implement testing. They are just fighters trying to come to terms to fight a mega event, based on rules that are already set. If they can't do that under those circumstances, then its both their fault because they both cut themselves out of their biggest one fight paychecks. Thats it and thats all.

If you want to personally believe Its all Pacquaio's fault (when in actuality he had a choice) because he said no when its obvious that he had good justification, more power to ya but its one not shared by a lot of folks. Maybe you can move on knowing that you are not changing anyone's opinion on this. Especially not mine.

I don't know. My guess, he was worried about the specific fight, not the sport.

If its based on the rules already set, then there was no need for the additional overweight penalty. You can't have it both ways djtmal. We agree they both are to blame over the course of 4-5 years. You just keep trying to find some wiggle room to jsutify manny refusing to test and causing the fight to fall through. IMO there is none. If necessary we can agree to disagree.

I am not trying to change your opinion. Manny said no and caused the fight to fall through. Thats a fact. You just think he was justified-I don't.

I don't need you to share my opinion. All I need you to do is be honest that MAnny refused testing for the floyd fight initially. He also did this with JMM 4.

JMM didn't insult Manny, make any videos, accuse him of anything. He went about asking for testing respectfully. Manny still refused. The reasons you and others use to justify his refusal hold no water here.

You can continue to avoid discussing manny's actions, but the rest of the adult world will not. Manny and floyd will be held accountable for their actions by rational, objective adults even if members of their respective fanbases choose not to.

[IMDAZED]

why not? many greats do it.

duran did it a lot.

i think your problem is you don't see a lot of things as being possible. when someone does something you think is not possible you say they are cheating.

nothing is impossible if you are dedicated enough. i hope you learned something.

They didn't pack on muscle overnight. They rehydrated with fluids.

[IMDAZED]

Pacquiao was always muscular, he drained himself to make 126 he would rehydrate to 144, he fights now at 148.



This pic on the left is Pacman in 2005 at 130 is he on steroids there too? Only people said he was on roids is when Mayweather sr hating ass made up lies and excuses for why Hatton loss. Sour sore losing scum bags Floyd Sr.

1. I'm aware of this. He was packing on water weight over night after draining himself. Not muscle.

2. Don't care about evidence of him juicing or not. He refused to take the test and walked away from the fight. End of story.

[hectari]

1. I'm aware of this. He was packing on water weight over night after draining himself. Not muscle.

2. Don't care about evidence of him juicing or not. He refused to take the test and walked away from the fight. End of story.

Dude you make no sense, he is fully hydrated at 147 so that is what he looks like at 147. So why do you keep saying water weight? no **** he was drained that is why he was so shredded, he isn;t as shredded at 147 because he doesn't cut weight, so again where is all this muscle gain you speak of? he just fights at his walk around weight like Floyd does.

End of story so you are saying all you need is a su****ion for someone to be guilty? So what is this 1930s America where the white man can accuses a minority and that is a enough to lynch him?


you can't say Pac is guilty of something just because he refused BLOOD testing to close to the fight because he was superstitious and has an interview from 2005 that Floyd who was a huge Pac fan knew about saying he felt they used blood taking the day of the fight to weaken him which is why he felt he lost to Morales, he agreed to unlimited Urine testing.

[NEETzsche]

they couldn't gather evidence because he wouldn't submit to testing

[IMDAZED]

End of story so you are saying all you need is a su****ion for someone to be guilty? So what is this 1930s America where the white man can accuses a minority and that is a enough to lynch him?


you can't say Pac is guilty of something just because he refused BLOOD testing to close to the fight because he was superstitious and has an interview from 2005 that Floyd who was a huge Pac fan knew about saying he felt they used blood taking the day of the fight to weaken him which is why he felt he lost to Morales, he agreed to unlimited Urine testing.

No, I'm not saying anything about guilt at all. Did you read what I wrote? He refused to take the test and walked away from the fight. That we know. Everything else is opinion.

[Weebler I]

There is no evidence.

Pacquiao never ran from testing even in '09, he agreed but paranoid little man Floyd tried to dictate the terms and push, push push until the deal was off (because he never wanted the fight in first place). Top Rank wasn't about to be dictated to by that little asshole.

Most you could say about Pac is his head was bigger if you want to go down that road but it's tenuous.

Floyd has been scared because like Holyfield said he doesn't believe in himself, Malignaggi is jealous because Pacquiao beat the guys Paulie clearly lost to. Flomos are deluding themselves because they don't want to acknowledge the truth.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Juan Manuel Marquez.

He is the supreme suspect, 40 years old and looking like the hulk, later gets zits on his chest when he never had acne even as a kid, hires memo the ped maker heredia who even after ratting out Olympians he said he still designs peds and even shown himself injecting EPO.

Marquez never attempted to limit the amount of blood tests, never picked the date for 3 of those blood tests, never looked for cutoff dates. Has actually express willingness to test, even against said-fighter you guys think was victimized. Not saying Marquez is clean but the other guy I'm describing is more su****ious.

Now put me back on ignore lol

[shadow-boxer]

I don't know. My guess, he was worried about the specific fight, not the sport.

If its based on the rules already set, then there was no need for the additional overweight penalty. You can't have it both ways djtmal. We agree they both are to blame over the course of 4-5 years. You just keep trying to find some wiggle room to jsutify manny refusing to test and causing the fight to fall through. IMO there is none. If necessary we can agree to disagree.

I am not trying to change your opinion. Manny said no and caused the fight to fall through. Thats a fact. You just think he was justified-I don't.

I don't need you to share my opinion. All I need you to do is be honest that MAnny refused testing for the floyd fight initially. He also did this with JMM 4.

JMM didn't insult Manny, make any videos, accuse him of anything. He went about asking for testing respectfully. Manny still refused. The reasons you and others use to justify his refusal hold no water here.

You can continue to avoid discussing manny's actions, but the rest of the adult world will not. Manny and floyd will be held accountable for their actions by rational, objective adults even if members of their respective fanbases choose not to.

It was Pac who demanded that Marquez take the test. When Marq countered that they both take the same, Pac backed out.

As for the May-Pac aborted nego, I for one suspected that he refused the test for fear of being busted. I have doubts initially but when Pac said he refused because of a dream he had when he was young that taking blood from him makes him weak, it erased all doubts

[IronDanHamza]

I still can't believe Pacquaio went above the Comission and implemented his own weight penalty.

Thank god Floyd turned that down.