On the real - Screw Erislandy Lara!

[northstar]

i referenced my view above - I thought the Williams fight was close- Lara deserved to win, but it wasn't that wide. And yeah - he was in a very close battle w/ Angulo - who knows how that fight would have turned out if Angulo didn't have that ghastly swelling.


So in the 7 fights he's had in the upper tier of boxing, 29% of them were unwatchable, 29% of them were against cans. 29% of them were shot/past-prime - and the last one was against a good/prime fighter - in which he won impressively and was rewarded with a Canelo fight.


Fortunately for Canelo - the dude just has other things that make him a marketable attraction. Life isn't fair my dude. Canelo was given the golden ticket from the moment he showed up. He's got a strong built in fan-base, has a pleasing boxer/puncher style - he's got a look made for TV. So his ride to stardom was admittingly shorter than Lara's. The point is - Lara had to work hard to separate himself out from the pack - and he never did, up until the Trout fight. which he was properly rewarded.



I'd like to give the guy respect if he would just acknowledge the obvious and do what he has to to gain the respect he deserves. He's whining and putting down the people who've invested millions of dollars into him - perhaps he should give respect to those who've invested in him.

Either way - I think his 15 minutes are about up in 3 weeks = hopefully he bounces back

One of the reasons he got the P Will fight was because P Will and his team thought he was going to be a soft touch.

Guys like Canelo (although I think he's talented) coming up, are often deliberately given smaller guys, bums, and opponents whose style's meshed well with theirs; the same can't be said for Lara. Not to mention, Alvarez had the benefit of fighting Trout in front of a favorable crowd with open scoring. So when juxtaposing the two fighters certain considerations have to be made.

To say he hasn't worked hard to get where he is: is the absolute height of ignorance.

[jose.sooto]

Canelo's personality is boring as fucc, maybe he is camera shy or something but dude is as entertaining as a brick wall. It's his pretty boy looks that got him the fans. He is a great boxer too.

Lara does have a personality, it takes something to walk up on stage an call out an star fighter. This is Erislandy's shot at becoming everything he wants to be, let's see what he does with it, i got Canelo winning by UD.

[Bardock]

I don't feel that was a close fight, he more or less dominated Williams in my eyes and the judging was so bad that the judges involved are still suspended to this day.

Rewarded with a Canelo fight? Lara has earned his spot and deserves to be rewarded. How can anybody be against the #1 and #2 fighter in the division going at it? Lara took on all comers, he deserves this shot.
Canelo has been in his fair share of stinkers himself; Rhodes, Hatton, Mosley etc etc it takes two to make a great fight.

I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, personally I haven't even heard him moan but I will assume if he has then he feels unfairly treated upto now.
He wasn't made into a superstar because of his looks or where he comes from like a Canelo - A forced star. He has had to earn everything the hard way. The guy just wants a break, he was even calling out GGG, now he has that break, hopefully he makes the most of it which I believe he will.

if canelo is a "forced" star then why does lara want to fight him so bad? the guy is just jealous his serena williams looking ass isn't famous

[DannYankee]

I don't feel that was a close fight, he more or less dominated Williams in my eyes and the judging was so bad that the judges involved are still suspended to this day.

Rewarded with a Canelo fight? Lara has earned his spot and deserves to be rewarded. How can anybody be against the #1 and #2 fighter in the division going at it? Lara took on all comers, he deserves this shot.
Canelo has been in his fair share of stinkers himself; Rhodes, Hatton, Mosley etc etc it takes two to make a great fight.

I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, personally I haven't even heard him moan but I will assume if he has then he feels unfairly treated upto now.
He wasn't made into a superstar because of his looks or where he comes from like a Canelo - A forced star. He has had to earn everything the hard way. The guy just wants a break, he was even calling out GGG, now he has that break, hopefully he makes the most of it which I believe he will.

Why do you bother this is a full ****** thread facts bounce off these people lol, just put a mask on and walk away slowly, so none of their blind ******ity gets on you.

[RyanjLarose]

Narrowly? He beat the living **** out of Williams and on his way to an L against Angulo? He was ahead and boxing his ears off throughout. Angulo had very little success but the two knockdowns.

Unlike most pure boxers Lara actually gets knockouts and scores knockdowns. How can people say he is boring? The only time he was boring was against Vanes and Molina - two guys nobody has ever looked good against.

Lara is vastly overrated and has only ever dropped duds as opposed to Canelo who dropped a real murderers row of opponents in Matthew Hatton, Cotto's little brother, shot Cintron, Ryan Rhodes etc

Its weird people knock his resume - The man has about 20 fights and has already fought Vanes, Williams, Angulo, Trout, Molina and soon to be Canelo. Who else is fighting that comp in so few pro fights?
Lara is everything that is right with boxing and one of the few who have never cherrypicked or ducked anybody. Would it hurt to give the guy just a little respect?

great post

[Loque-san]

I already stated my case awhile ago

He had a big round - but there was still 11 and 12. Had that eye not transformed - i think Angulo would have pulled it out. Either way - that was an Angulo who was/is washed up/past-prime who was involved in other wars and lets be honest - isn't very good and he gave Lara all he could handle. Angulo should have been made to look like an amateur, but he wasn't. Lara again was in full "fight down to the level of his opponent" mode and it almost cost him

As I said in my previous post, even if Angulo had won rds 11 & 12 the fight would have been a majority draw. I was not dis*****g the fact that Lara got dropped or that he went life and death with Angulo who is not very good etc. I was just saying Lara was not on his way to losing.

By the way I had Lara-Williams 116-112 Lara. At best, Lara should have been awarded a lopsided UD. At worst, a clear UD in a competitive fight. I'll take anything from 120-108 to 116-112. Most people thought it was a daylight robbery.

[JmH Reborn]

As I said in my previous post, even if Angulo had won rds 11 & 12 the fight would have been a majority draw. I was not dis*****g the fact that Lara got dropped or that he went life and death with Angulo who is not very good etc. I was just saying Lara was not on his way to losing.

By the way I had Lara-Williams 116-112 Lara. At best, Lara should have been awarded a lopsided UD. At worse, a clear UD for in a competitive fight. I'll take anything from 120-108 to 116-112. Most people thought it was a daylight robbery.

fair play to you sir. i respect your opinion

[dan_cov]

if canelo is a "forced" star then why does lara want to fight him so bad? the guy is just jealous his serena williams looking ass isn't famous

Because its the biggest fight that can be made, outside of a fight with Floyd there is no other fight he could get that sort of money from and he wants to fight the best.

[boliodogs]

I voted that Lara is not justified to complain. Lara is an excellent fighter but he is also one of the worst **** talkers in boxing. He always has plenty to say and it's always nasty. Even when he has a fight date all set he badmouths his opponent right up to the fight. He does that to everybody he fights. He is always saying his future opponent has no heart and bragging on himself. He continues to trash his opponent after the fight like calling Angulo a coward and a quitter instead of just being happy he won. He gives himself credit for getting the Canelo fight because he confronted Canelo in public but that is just BS. Canelo has never been afraid to fight anybody. If Canelo didn't want to fight him all the public challenges in the world would not get him that fight. Nobody is throwning this crybaby to the wolves. He has been fighting the same guys Canelo has been fighting and that's Angulo and Trout. His own manager says that Lara is wrong and just has a chip on his shoulder. His manager said it has been a pleasure to work with Golden Boy and they have treated Lara fairly. Lara now has the Canelo fight he wanted but he is still crying and complaining and as usual insulting Canelo and saying Canelo can't fight and has no heart. In contrast Canelo has never said a bad word about Lara and just says Lara is a very dangerous opponent and talks about him with much respect.

[PR ESQ.]

Is anyone else tired of this whiny entitled guy who seemingly can't appreciate how above and beyond Golden Boy has done for a guy who's style, appearance and uncanny ability to lay an egg when it matters most has done for him. Looking at the stable of fighters Golden Boy - it's hard to find many other fighters they've gone out of their way for. Now, he's involved in one of the largest fights of the year - and he's still whining.

I mean lets be real - it takes more than just being an average-to-good boxer to be marketable.

-He speaks ZERO english - but wants to be on American TV

-He's butt ugly - let's be honest, if you have a face fit for Radio, and not TV - then you'll be a hard sell. You don't need to be the next member of N'Sync, but a modicum of decent looks helps propel someone. And not just in boxing - but all sorts of TV entertainment, from NFL to Hollywood.

-Small base of fans -- Boxing is already a niche sport at this point. I mean the average non-PPV show on HBO and Showtime can draw around 700-1.5M viewers. That's on the "free" TV. PPV is smaller unless Manny or PBF are fighting. Within' that relatively small amount of dedicated boxing fans - Cuban Americans don't seem to be out in force like say Mexicans or Ricans - or say the Euro fans for their fighters. It's just a small market and everyone is trying for a tiny peice of the pie. He literally does nothing else to separate himself from the pack.

- "Style" -- Granted - he's a decent boxer. He's not great, but he's not bad. But overall, he usually has a safety first approach to the sweet science, which is all in well - so how does he attempt to stand out from the pack? He's not the type to go in for the kill when he can, so it's not like fans can expect a finishing attempt from him.

- ZERO charisma -- so, he's ugly, doesn't speak english, has a boxing style that requires a come forward fighter with zero defense to make it engaging for him and on top of all that, he has ZERO personality. He's not an engaging personality. Remember the press conference for Canelo he tried to 'crash'? He looked like a fan begging for an autograph, instead of demanding a fight. It was sad.

And finally - lets just be real about his run of top opposition and this "murderer's row"

-Carlos Molina - he drops a dud and gets a draw
-Paul Williams - a guy who was crushed by Sergio - seemingly shot and he takes an L - which admittingly, he should have narrowly won. But still - P.Will at this point was just through some wars.
- he fights two cans, back to back in unengaging affairs; then
-V. Martiyosan - another big step up fight - another dud from Lara
-Angulo - gets dropped, on his way to an L - but thankfully Angulo breaks from an injury.
-Trout - so Lara finally has a good performance, in like two years at the upper echelon. So in two years, he finally has a full performance against a good fighter

And the dude then gets rewarded for that performance with a Canelo fight.

So tell me again why he's whining? He got his big fight from the only decent performance he's put on - instead of whining - he should be on his knees slurping the boxing gods that he's getting a big check from the a**whipping he's in line to receive

Does anyone else agree? Thoughts

If TL:DR

Lara is vastly overrated and has only ever dropped duds. He finally has a big win and now gets his shot. He has zero market appeal - just shut up and be happy that you got the big fight - go perform.

no dude just no...suggest strongly that u delete this shiet thread, ur boxing acumen tsking a blow right now... especially that Lara has a great opportunity to come out victorious!