Why is it when a fighter signs to Haymon its ruled as a bad thing around here?

[sicko]

NO PROMOTER likes a Good Manager that demands a lot of things (especially MONEY) for his Fighters. Promoters are use to working with Managers that are just willing to accept any type of deal for their fighters, actually a lot of times Managers and Promoters work together to ROB THE FIGHTERS.

Fighters go to Haymon because his ability to get his fighters Good Money, he is not "STEALING FIGHTERS" he doesn't have to. Others fighters see the type of Money Mayweather is making and they want a piece of that. Fighters are fighting to feed their family so how can anyone blame them for GOING FOR THE MONEY!


Most of you truly don't know what Haymon does, don't know what type of person he is and never heard the man speak. You hate him because you basically been TOLD by someone else who don't know WTF they are talking about either, that "HAYMON IS BAD". NO, Haymon is bad for Promoters but he is GREAT FOR FIGHTERS who don't want to get fuked over by a Promoter and want to make the most money they can

[Citizen Koba]

That Rodriguez example is a good one for this thread.

Not really - Haymon signed him in the middle of negotiations and drove up his bidding price to ridiculous levels given the credibility of the fighter, knowing that HBO had few options for Ward. Pulled a similar stunt with Stevenson Fonfara of course which HBO wisely refused to play for. In the long term Haymons alliance with Schaffer and SHO isn't about getting the best deals for the fighters but building a single managerial / promotional /broadcasting entity to dominate the US sport much like the UFC does for MMA.

In the short term, of course, they way to get the fighters on board and harm the rival network has been to upbid HBO fights where it has been possible, sabotage marquee fights by luring fighters away from the rival network and taking a hit on profits by offering unsustainably lucrative deals in the short term.

It is / was an ambitious plan - I'm curious to see how it will pan out since it seems to have been prematurely interupted, but is unlikely to be abandoned. My personal feeling is that it would be bad - in the longer term - for the sport and the fighters and could lead to an isolation of the US or North American sport from the growing global scene (though possibly taking the pick of the global talent as UFC has done) as well as leading to the kinda 'slave contracts' complained of by UFC fighters which the Ali law firewall was suppossed to prohibit.

OTOH such a setup could ultimately make the fights between top names more likely to happen as the fighters would have less control and fewer options over who they fought - though even in the UFC you hear plenty of dangerous seeming up-and-comers being denied fights by the bigger earners who don't wanna take a risk - after all - unless we wanna regress to the days of the roman gladiators, you can't force a guy to fight.

[HeroBando]

NO PROMOTER likes a Good Manager that demands a lot of things (especially MONEY) for his Fighters. Promoters are use to working with Managers that are just willing to accept any type of deal for their fighters, actually a lot of times Managers and Promoters work together to ROB THE FIGHTERS.

Fighters go to Haymon because his ability to get his fighters Good Money, he is not "STEALING FIGHTERS" he doesn't have to. Others fighters see the type of Money Mayweather is making and they want a piece of that. Fighters are fighting to feed their family so how can anyone blame them for GOING FOR THE MONEY!


Most of you truly don't know what Haymon does, don't know what type of person he is and never heard the man speak. You hate him because you basically been TOLD by someone else who don't know WTF they are talking about either, that "HAYMON IS BAD". NO, Haymon is bad for Promoters but he is GREAT FOR FIGHTERS who don't want to get fuked over by a Promoter and want to make the most money they can

Maidana got fcuked over big time with his shameful Floyd purse. Itll take him 3 fights to match what Rios made vs Pac

[sicko]

Just to **** on this Haymon Responsible For The Cold War Theory:

Rico Ramos (Al Haymon Fighter) vs Rigondeaux (Top Rank)

Lara (Al Haymon Fighter) vs Vanes Martirosyan (Top Rank at the time)

and now Gary Russell Jr. (Al Haymon Fighter) vs Lomenchenko (Top Rank)


So who is really Responsible for this "COLD WAR"?


Remove Arum and let Todd DuBoef run things at Top Rank and you will see a huge difference in the world of boxing.

[sicko]

Maidana got fcuked over big time with his shameful Floyd purse. Itll take him 3 fights to match what Rios made vs Pac

Has he ever made over 1 Million before?

[HeroBando]

Has he ever made over 1 Million before?

I dunno or care. Had Rios? Probably not. Maidana got a pathetic, insulting purse against Floyd

[Pacquiao'd]

Because he works with Floyd why else

[Pacquiao'd]

Just to **** on this Haymon Responsible For The Cold War Theory:

Rico Ramos (Al Haymon Fighter) vs Rigondeaux (Top Rank)

Lara (Al Haymon Fighter) vs Vanes Martirosyan (Top Rank at the time)

and now Gary Russell Jr. (Al Haymon Fighter) vs Lomenchenko (Top Rank)


So who is really Responsible for this "COLD WAR"?


Remove Arum and let Todd DuBoef run things at Top Rank and you will see a huge difference in the world of boxing.

Too many facts

[Mitchell Kane]

Not really - Haymon signed him in the middle of negotiations and drove up his bidding price to ridiculous levels given the credibility of the fighter, knowing that HBO had few options for Ward. Pulled a similar stunt with Stevenson Fonfara of course which HBO wisely refused to play for. In the long term Haymons alliance with Schaffer and SHO isn't about getting the best deals for the fighters but building a single managerial / promotional /broadcasting entity to dominate the US sport much like the UFC does for MMA.

In the short term, of course, they way to get the fighters on board and harm the rival network has been to upbid HBO fights where it has been possible, sabotage marquee fights by luring fighters away from the rival network and taking a hit on profits by offering unsustainably lucrative deals in the short term.

It is / was an ambitious plan - I'm curious to see how it will pan out since it seems to have been prematurely interupted, but is unlikely to be abandoned. My personal feeling is that it would be bad - in the longer term - for the sport and the fighters and could lead to an isolation of the US or North American sport from the growing global scene (though possibly taking the pick of the global talent as UFC has done) as well as leading to the kinda 'slave contracts' complained of by UFC fighters which the Ali law firewall was suppossed to prohibit.

OTOH such a setup could ultimately make the fights between top names more likely to happen as the fighters would have less control and fewer options over who they fought - though even in the UFC you hear plenty of dangerous seeming up-and-comers being denied fights by the bigger earners who don't wanna take a risk - after all - unless we wanna regress to the days of the roman gladiators, you can't force a guy to fight.

I wasn't citing Rodriguez as a positive example.

And Haymon's plan isn't as effective when HBO has, for the most part, banned him and Schaefer.

I support that ban.

In the short term, fans miss out on fights like Kovalev-Stevenson, Golovkin-Quillin, etc...but I'd prefer that to the alternative, which is overpaying for fights (eating up more if HBO's budget on fewer fights), giving extra tv dates to boxers who don't deserve them, etc.

That ban may be pat of why we're seeing cracks in GBP...which may end up freeing up some boxers to go to HBO, like Canelo.

Until them, I'd prefer HBO stay the course.

[Xi_]

I dunno or care. Had Rios? Probably not. Maidana got a pathetic, insulting purse against Floyd

didn't maidana also make money on the back end? ppv, gate, etc???