Top 15 Welterweights of the 21st Century

[MurkaMan]

As a fan of both i try to keep it objective when debating both fighters. Floyd skill set is great especially his offense and defense in his younger days at the lower weight classless, but skill set alone cant propel your legacy without a ATG resume. Pac beats certain fighters easier than Floyd and Floyd beats certain fighters easier than Pac. You cant say Floyds styles the best ever seen when he doesn't dominate all the fighters he fought like he did Marquez or Canelo, Pac dominated Hatton and Cotto better than Floyd.

Hell nah LOL.

It CAN propel your legacy when your skillset outshine every other fighter in history. Floyd has a stand-out skillset. His whole legacy is built around him being the Best figher Ever. If he had SRL skillset, but he is fighting better foes I wouldnt say he was the best. I would constantly compare him to SRL.

You say he doesnt have an ATG resume, Pac doesnt have no damn ATG resume LOL. Only thing he has is 8 weight classes. With or without a great resume, he STILL has those weight classes. No matter how many bums Pac fought, he still climbed those weight classes and you cant take that away from him.

Now lets talk Floyd. Name a fighter in history that can fight his opponents, and NOT destroy them or murder them, but change their whole fighting style and dominate each of his foes without being hissed, for 18 freaking years. Floyd's skillset and ring dominance IS his legacy.

People just dont want it to be, because if he really got credit we would recognize him as the best fighter in hstory. Thats the reason you all find ways to talk around the elephant in the room that is his in-ring abilities.

He is the best fighter in history and he deserves it. 18 years not getting hit by a single punch. Late 30's dominating guys 18lbs heavier, 15lbs heavier, 10 years younger. This will never happen in boxing again.

[MurkaMan]

Maybe those rumours of Al Haymon paying Alvarez to "take it easy" on Fraud carry some weight.

Only problem with that is the JMM fight looks like that, the Mosley fight looks like that, the Ghost fight looks like that. ALL of Floyd's fights look that way. His whole resume he just made it look easy. Againt Canelo he beat him WORSE than Mosley. He stood in the pocket and walked him down.

I too, was very impressed with the Nelo dominance as well.

[The Big Dunn]

So Cliff is everyone now

How much do you smoke?

Almost every other credible source had Mosley as #1. Now I've corrected the post. I already corrected and noted Manny was #1 in the ring rankings. I also noted that while cliff does have floyd as lineal some don't-the transitional boxing board doesn't have him as lineal.

I will agree with cliff on this. If you have any other questions or concerns about wheteher floyd is lineal or not please address them with cliff.

[soul_survivor]

No.1
Manny Pacquiao

No.2
Floyd Mayweather Jr

No.3
Miguel Angel Cotto

No.4
Antonio Margarito

No.5
Shane Mosley

No.6
Vernon Forrest

No.7
Paul Williams

No.8
Timothy Bradley

No.9
Shawn Porter

No.10
Cory Spinks

Not bad, I wouldn't have Porter in a top 10 though, how do you work that one out? lol

good list except for the #2 spot, fraud jr got exposed from fighting maidana with majority of boxing fans gave the win to maidana.

most of fraud wins are either MD, a close UD, and a win by a sucker punch. oh well...

i'd rank fraud as high as 11 or 12 in the welter weight division.

come on now...

That's an extreme hater comment even from a Filipino. What about 'frauds' welterweight icing of hatton, shutout of JMM and breezing past p4p #3 Mosley?

I wouldn't say what he did to Hatton was "icing" him, what Pacman did is called "icing an opponent".

[Showtime..]

Welterweight? Floyd is #1, but overall 140(and lower)-154, Paquiao is higher. Even if Floyd is a cherry pickin fraud, he should still be #1 at Welterweight alone.
Pacquiao should have(should now) stick at 140 and unify all 4 belts. Only had 1 showing at 140, sadly.

Judah could have beaten anybody but man his demons just went wild on him.

[soul_survivor]

Hell nah LOL.

It CAN propel your legacy when your skillset outshine every other fighter in history. Floyd has a stand-out skillset. His whole legacy is built around him being the Best figher Ever. If he had SRL skillset, but he is fighting better foes I wouldnt say he was the best. I would constantly compare him to SRL.

You say he doesnt have an ATG resume, Pac doesnt have no damn ATG resume LOL. Only thing he has is 8 weight classes. With or without a great resume, he STILL has those weight classes. No matter how many bums Pac fought, he still climbed those weight classes and you cant take that away from him.

Now lets talk Floyd. Name a fighter in history that can fight his opponents, and NOT destroy them or murder them, but change their whole fighting style and dominate each of his foes without being hissed, for 18 freaking years. Floyd's skillset and ring dominance IS his legacy.

People just dont want it to be, because if he really got credit we would recognize him as the best fighter in hstory. Thats the reason you all find ways to talk around the elephant in the room that is his in-ring abilities.

He is the best fighter in history and he deserves it. 18 years not getting hit by a single punch. Late 30's dominating guys 18lbs heavier, 15lbs heavier, 10 years younger. This will never happen in boxing again.

Floyd dominated a shot Mosley at 147, a bum in Baldomir, had a good, tough fight against Hatton, a good tough fight for the first half against Judah and he schooled Guerrero....yep Guerrero and went to hell with Maidana. Thats a good run of fights but he hasn't dominated a top level fighter in a long time.

[D4thincarnation]

Not bad, I wouldn't have Porter in a top 10 though, how do you work that one out? lol



come on now...

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It is not only the victory but the manner of victory. He destroyed Paulie and beat Alexander pretty easily as well.

Guys like Mayorga and Judah, don't top that with their record at 147lb. I would say Port beats Mayorga and Judah at 147lbs as well.

[soul_survivor]

Welterweight? Floyd is #1, but overall 140(and lower)-154, Paquiao is higher. Even if Floyd is a cherry pickin fraud, he should still be #1 at Welterweight alone.
Pacquiao should have(should now) stick at 140 and unify all 4 belts. Only had 1 showing at 140, sadly.

Judah could have beaten anybody but man his demons just went wild on him.

I can't rate Floyd higher and i'm not sure how guys can, Manny has stand out wins over the two stand out welters in his era near or in their primes in Cotto and Bradley.

Mayweather has a run of Ortiz, Guerrero and Maidana....all weight and age issues aside, surely you cant rate that higher than what Manny did.

People keep bringing up Mosley but most people in boxing and real fans knew he was all but shot, yes he had that one good moment in years against Margarito but that was some 14-16 months before the Mayweather fight, Mosley went through 2 gruelling camps and was done. How a fighter who defends his title once in 16 months can be considered the best in the division in which another fighter has already ripped a whole is ridiculous and shows us the ******ity of boxing rankings at times.

[The Big Dunn]

I can't rate Floyd higher and i'm not sure how guys can, Manny has stand out wins over the two stand out welters in his era near or in their primes in Cotto and Bradley.

Mayweather has a run of Ortiz, Guerrero and Maidana....all weight and age issues aside, surely you cant rate that higher than what Manny did.

People keep bringing up Mosley but most people in boxing and real fans knew he was all but shot, yes he had that one good moment in years against Margarito but that was some 14-16 months before the Mayweather fight, Mosley went through 2 gruelling camps and was done. How a fighter who defends his title once in 16 months can be considered the best in the division in which another fighter has already ripped a whole is ridiculous and shows us the ******ity of boxing rankings at times.

Tim is not a standout ww. Check his resume at ww.

You rank Mosley as the #3 ww in the era. Floyd beat him after the Margs fight, a fight most were calling for. Yes Mosley went through two camps and was off a long time-but that doesn't equate to shot.

You are entitled to your opinion, it would just be more even if you shined the same light you use to criticize Mosley on all of Manny's opponents.

Manny also got KO'd at ww by a guy floyd destroyed. Doesn't mean floyd will beat Manny, but it should be factored into the rankings.

Floyd ww fights-all wins

Marcos Maidana
Robert Guerrero
Victor Ortiz
Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Márquez
Ricky Hatton.
Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell


Manny's fights at ww:

Timothy Bradley
Brandon Rios
Juan Manuel Márquez KO loss
Timothy Bradley SD Loss (IMO he won)
Juan Manuel Márquez
Shane Mosley
Joshua Clottey.
Miguel Cotto
Oscar De La Hoya

[Showtime..]

I can't rate Floyd higher and i'm not sure how guys can, Manny has stand out wins over the two stand out welters in his era near or in their primes in Cotto and Bradley.

Mayweather has a run of Ortiz, Guerrero and Maidana....all weight and age issues aside, surely you cant rate that higher than what Manny did.

People keep bringing up Mosley but most people in boxing and real fans knew he was all but shot, yes he had that one good moment in years against Margarito but that was some 14-16 months before the Mayweather fight, Mosley went through 2 gruelling camps and was done. How a fighter who defends his title once in 16 months can be considered the best in the division in which another fighter has already ripped a whole is ridiculous and shows us the ******ity of boxing rankings at times.

Does Floyd hold any division advantage over Manny? Even @ 154? I mean I would take 2010 Margs to wipe the floor with 2013 Alvarez(or any version for that matter). As for Margarito vs Cotto, that's basically a mute point.