Comments Thread For: Rejuvenated Cotto heading toward a 160 A-side kicking

[moonshineman]

Health

I think the outcome of this fight will be determined by the state of Sergio's health. Also if Cotto, can touch Sergio to the body enough times ,the fight might get pretty interesting.

[GOD-FR33]

F U Lyle.........

F you Lyle F.!! Guess what? It's not Sunday morning yet so nobody knows what is going to happen. Martinez beat drunks and power dummies but lost to Cheeto? Went life and death with Cintron? Cintron!? Hahaha! You are a FAN BOY!!!!!! Period! This dude does amateurish tactics that an "elite" fighter would take advantage of! Cotto is that elite fighter here. I don't care how BIG Sergio is. He is OLD and injured. He beat Chavez BUT Chavez ruined him in two rounds. He's highly over-rated and Cotto will show him no respect. I cannot wait!!!!!!!!!!!

[BucaRican]

You sound dumb as ****! Cotto was never considered a fav vs MArtinez....& Would NEVER be considered a fav vs Jr. He's YOUR fav bi*chboy. & speed power, intelligence??? huh? wtf are u smoking. He's not stronger than anyone Martinez has faced at MW...Not faster than williams...the case for intelligence may be there...but the only big fight Miguel has won is vs shane. & many believe he faded down the stretch & lost that...just like his life or death struggle w/ clottey was debatable. Get off his nuts & see him for what he's done. His glory is at 40 & a lil @ 47. He might've beaten tony in part II. But the powers that be saved him from crumbling again. Wut grudge match have u ever seen where they fighters don't fight the championship rds??? foh! They knew Tony was gaining momentum & cotto might wilt....yall overrate miguel. I'm certain he will fade in this fight & clam up ANNNND begin to fight dirty once he gets uncomfortable & realizes he's gonna get battered. Martiniz on the other hand fought guys nobody else would fight on his path to glory....Pavlik couldn't make a fight...(took on short notice) Nobody in 2-3 divs would fight paul but crazy azz Tony. So beat it w/ ur trying to diminish this guy. He did all this at an advanced age. & I thought he won the 1st williams fight....They even tried to rob the guy over & again until he closed the show & created his own destiny. Go jerk off to cotto's pic u lil girl.

1. Paul Williams was never a fast fighter Fact. Paul Williams threw wide punches in bunches with no power. Fact.

2. Before his KO of Williams, Cotto was always the favorite to beat Martinez Fact.

3. Chavez Jr ducked Cotto at 154 because he was not ready for prime time yet, and Top Rank knew this so the put on these corney PPVs for Chaves Jr against no ones. Fact

4. You can't name a better boxer/puncher that Martinez has faced. fact.

5. You love Antonio Margachito. Fact. If you think he was coming back in that fight you have fallin off the rocker. Fight 1 Cotto was outclassing him until the plaster harden and fight 2 Margachito was not in the same class. FACT! Margarito lost 3 out of 4 after his brick hands got caught and his 1 win went the distance against a nobody. FACT

6. Kelly Pavlik had just come back from a sever staph infection that almost killed him before he faced Sergio, and he was battling addiction. So please get your stuff straight. Fact

7. I Never said Cotto is the strongest guy Martinez has faced, I said he is the only guy he has faced with the combination of Speed, Power, and Ring intelligence.

Take a Nyquil I just

[Njord777]

I agree with the posters backing Cotto by saying he may indeed be one of the best actual boxers Martinez has faced.

I agree with the Maravilla fans saying Martinez is the biggest man Cotto has faced, with by far the strongest punch, and we've seen Cotto get battered by guys like Margarito and Pacquiao when they had the pop to keep Miguel at bay.

When I think of a prime Cotto I remember the guy working his way up the ranks of junior welterweight, and then welterweight, fighting some of the top challengers available; Miguel always seemed to fight the biggest threat when most of our favorite fighters do a bit of dancing and dodging contractually in an effort to increase their profitability.

That Miguel had a disgusting hook to the body. Man, that body shot was a thing of beauty that took the fight out of, and eventually stopped several guys at 140, and he used it effectively for years at 147, too.

This version of Cotto, from my humble recollection, was a blast to watch because he had decent pop, so you felt his shots weren't a joke, but he worked steadily, applying pressure, and was the type of fighter who broke guys down. You would watch him steadily work as a pro typical boxer/puncher, and visibly saw him weather guys and stop them late, or break them to the point he cruised home to a win against a guy who just wanted to survive.

Miguel has because of these things been one of my favorite guys to watch. Being in Florida I've gone to the bar and been in a packed house of Puerto Rican fans with some of the best fight atmosphere you can hope for outside of the real deal.

The question I have to ask myself is; can I envision even these near prime tactics of wearing an opponent down working on Martinez?

Sergio would have to be quite shot, I think. His movement would need to have faded, the way he stayed outside with his hands down (very Roy Jones Jr. esque) moving his head and using reflexes and a jab to pick his power shots, would cause problems for Cotto trying to establish a rythmn.

See, Cotto at his best would put early rounds in the bank, and like I said, break the guy down over time. He was never a one punch KO artist, and rarely even against guys like Judah, etc. did I feel he was one shot away from putting a guy to sleep. That effective, steady pressure was amazing, though, and at his peak I saw some great boxers broken by Miguel's work.

Sergio Martinez, though, DOES have one punch KO power- especially against Miguel who was battered by Margarito (wraps or not) and Pacquiao, and even got stunned badly if you remember by Torres at 140 (old Cotto), so I think Cotto needs to be VERY careful of Maravilla's power.

Even if they are both faded I'm not sure I can envision Miguel Cotto breaking down a moving, powerful bigger man, who keeps a steady jab to stop Cotto's rhythm from establishing over the early fight; which he needs to break a guy down late.

I saw against Trout that Cotto isn't always going to outbox a guy skill for skill at this stage of his career; and having discussed it here I can't imagine him using even a prime Cotto tactic and being able to break Martinez down.

If Martinez can't move as well, and due to stamina relies on one punch counters, Miguel has a shot to impose himself. If Martinez just moves a bit, and pumps a steady jab, though, which he can then hook off of, etc. I think Miguel is going to have a SERIOUS problem.

I wager Martinez comes out of this one with a late stoppage- and I have no relish in saying that as I am also a big Cotto fan.

I like both men though and that's what I see happening.

[Wizardsh]

You are watching too many bitter Sergio interviews. You must be confusing Cotto with somebody else. Cotto fights ANYONE and relishes the challenge. Martinez is the one doubting himself. Was Cotto supposed to just jump into middle and face Sergio overnight?

WHERE was Sergio when Cotto was at his peak? Who was Sergio back then?


Be real about the REALITY of this match up and appreciate that their paths are crossing at a time and weight that does NOT necessarily benefit Cotto either.

I sense a lot of nerves. On one hand, we are being told how Sergio is going to DESTROY Cotto, but then... The nerves kicks in and they wanna bring up Sergio being shot etc .


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hold your horse groupie cotto does fight anybody I agree with that but he always gets his a$$ whooped lol, but this time he took what he thought would be the easier fight. It's going to blow up in his face cause a shot Martinez still destroys your hero. You are the poosay who's nevers are all over the place, the end of cotto is near

[boxingfocus]

You managed to find a way to knock practically every single one of Martinez's wins. lol I suppose it's possible if one tries hard enough. Did you watch the first P Will fight? I did. I thought Sergio pulled it off, but there's no doubt the decision was highly debatable. To say Paul outboxed Martinez implies Williams outclassed "Maravilla." Not true at all.

The reality is that Martinez has one of the weakest 55 fight records you get to see amongst champions in the modern era. He's fought a handful of top names, not to mention got absolutely battered the first time he stepped outside of Argentina when he fought Margarito.

The best wins on his record are a shop worn Kelly Pavlik, the overrated Paul Williams, and the pothead Chavez Jr.

I'm not even saying he's not a great fighter, he obviously is 100x more talented than you or I, but he's simply not been in with many classy operators. Cotto has been around the block, shaken hands with so many HOFers in his ring career, and Martinez won't bring much to the party that he hasn't sipped on before.

Martinez may be too big and may have recovered fully from his operations. It's certainly not a given though and writing off Cotto is a bad, bad idea.

[ELPacman]

I mentioned this is another post also. Cotto has Roach who knows Martinez already from the Chavez Jr. fight. Chavez Jr. was also, out of shape, not disciplined, and managed to nearly take Martinez out in the 12th round.

Roach has got Cotto's full discipline in preparing for this fight. Roach also trains a fast southpaw in Pacquiao so he might have the right plan to reverse engineer the advantages of a fast southpaw in Martinez.

Honestly, I think Roach is the biggest single advantage that Cotto has going into this fight. Martinez has everything else physically I believe. (power might be 50-50).

[nolotek]

Maybe it's true what's Mr. Knowseverything is saying in the article but I don't agree about Cotto's defeat will be a brutal beating like everybody say. It will be a very competitive fight with both fighters bringing out the best of themselves.

[BucaRican]

What's to stop Martinez from simply laughing off every one of Cotto's punches once he feels how weak they are compared to Pavlik's?

Pavlik did not dedicate his shots to the body as Cotto will do Sat Night.

[thatdudespits]

He didn't try to climb no ****ing mountain...Foh! He's trying to be opportunistic. Thinking Martinez is faded & vulnerable. But what he & Freddie forgot is this isn't Pac vs a par-time fighting DLH.....Sturm would beat the **** out of Miguel as well. Cotto is definitely brave & a "man's fighter". But this isn't a example of him taking on a huge challenge. It's their version of a snatch & grab.

Felix sturm doesn't beat the **** out of anyone. He's always #1 on St. Nicks list come Christmas time.