You can't be mad a Cotto?

[ßringer]

But you have to wonder why Cotto pissed and moaned and wouldnt sign the fight unless those demand were met. Its a bigger deal to cotto than anyone else.

I honestly believe it was posturing more than anything else.

We'll see similar **** for Pacquiao/Marquez 5.

[-Kev-]

Because some people are mature enough to remember when the good of the sport trumped business decisions and intelligent enough to lament the change.

Which is why it's so hilarious listening to Martinez piss and moan about the traditions of boxing while ducking his biggest challenger for years for easy paychecks.

Every fight you think was just for the good of the sport, was a business decision.

The "Fab 4" were not fighting each other for peanuts, they were their biggest money fights available

Some fans like to kid themselves about the 'old days' when Unicorns thrived and fighters "fought for glory".

Sure, Leonard "ducked" Pryor. The big, undefeated puncher going through every bum and old greats.

Tell me, Bringer and Natas, who was fighting for glory and who was fighting for money in De La Hoya vs Hopkins?

[Stark777]

Because some people are mature enough to remember when the good of the sport trumped business decisions and intelligent enough to lament the change.

Which is why it's so hilarious listening to Martinez piss and moan about the traditions of boxing while ducking his biggest challenger for years for easy paychecks.

C'mon, I too want to see the best fighting the best. But it's not the same thing ducking someone when you are 40 and about to retire as ducking when you are in your prime.

And Martinez hasn´t ducked GGG for years, he has been injured for a year and half, and before that GGG wasn't at his level yet IMO.

Anyways, I hope Martinez fights GGG after Cotto.

[ßringer]

C'mon, I too want the best fighting the best. But it's not the same thing ducking someone when you are 40 and about to retire as ducking when you are in your prime.

And Martinez hasn´t ducked GGG for years, he has been injured for a year and half, and before that GGG wasn't at his level yet IMO.

Anyways, I hope Martinez fights GGG after Cotto.

The bolded IMO needs to be taken note of. Because a majority of fans have been calling for Martinez to fight Golovkin since the Proksa fight.

Every fight you think was just for the good of the sport, was a business decision.

The "Fab 4" were not fighting each other for peanuts, they were their biggest money fights available

Some fans like to kid themselves about the 'old days' when Unicorns thrived and fighters "fought for glory".

There's a distinct difference between negotiating and ducking. The "Fab 4" were considered so because they actively fought one another, not because they sat around for years while posturing and trying to avoid one another.

Sure, Leonard "ducked" Pryor. The big, undefeated puncher going through every bum and old greats.

Pryor turned down a fight with Leonard. That's an undisputed fact. I'm not even sure why you mention ducking whether in quotations or not.

Golovkin hasn't even been offered a fight with Martinez.

Tell me, Bringer and Natas, who was fighting for glory and who was fighting for money in De La Hoya vs Hopkins?

Neither, and De La Hoya/Hopkins is actually a very accurate comparison to Martinez/Cotto - They both involved diva middleweights who thought they were far more valuable than they actually were at the time negotiating to fight an equally delusional diva from a lower weightclass for money.

Difference is...Hopkins cleared out his division before that.

Has Martinez?

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

This is not a big deal. The fight is. Cotto fights everyone and puts on a show. We need all fighters to be like him.

[-PBP-]

If Cotto sold PPV's like Mayweather and Pacquiao, the guy would be unstoppable in negotiations. I can't imagine the sh-t he would ask for if he was a May/Pac level prize fighter. He would probably ask for little ****** sh-t like his opponent has to weigh in with a Tu tu, or they have to come in with a certain song. That is how detailed Cotto's demands were for the Martinez fight.

Really "My name has to be top billing, or no fight", "I gotta come in second, or no fight". "I was in this position with Mayweather and Pacquiao!" Yeah like May and Pac made you come in first.

Sergio has been talking a lot of **** about Cotto for years. I'm sure Cotto's intent was to show him who is boss and bring him down a notch.

[The Gambler1981]

Martinez is understandably going for the biggest pay check possible. I would too, and so would every one that has posted in this thread, even those who are opposed to fighters fighting in the biggest money fights they can find. What Martinez is doing is basically making the money boxing politics refused him to get in his prime. He was ducked by several more popular fighters in the past for bigger money fights. Now he's in the same position doing the same thing that was done to him. Golovkin, who I assume is who you are speaking of, is getting the same thing done to him that happened to Martinez. He could be in the same position if he's good enough and goes through the equivalents of his Williams, Pavliks, Chavez Jr(lol which is Chavez Jr himself), Dzinzuruk, Cintron which would have to start at 168 if you think about it. Martinez went up in weight after getting tired of being ducked and was a small Middleweight at first, only now settling more into 160 and coming closer to 160 than in the past when he was 157-158. GGG's Williams, Pavliks, Dzinzuruk's and Cintron are at 168 in the form of Froch, Groves Kessler, Bika, E. Rodriguez. He's gonna have to beat those guys to get the recognition Martinez got.

I get perfectly why Martinez took the fight, and it makes sense. I am however not one that complains endlessly on the topic, all I am asking for is some consistency.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Every fight you think was just for the good of the sport, was a business decision.

The "Fab 4" were not fighting each other for peanuts, they were their biggest money fights available

Some fans like to kid themselves about the 'old days' when Unicorns thrived and fighters "fought for glory".

Sure, Leonard "ducked" Pryor. The big, undefeated puncher going through every bum and old greats.

Tell me, Bringer and Natas, who was fighting for glory and who was fighting for money in De La Hoya vs Hopkins?

Bro you need to read Four Kings by George Kimball and then revisit this post. In fact, every boxing fan should be required to read this book.

[TintaBoricua]

Look at the end of the day it doesn't matter. This is something that Martinez is doing to pump himself up for the fight even more.

The bell will ring, and none of those "advantages" will mean anything.

I can't believe people are even making a big deal about this.

Who really gives a **** which fighter comes out first? What impact does that have on the fight?

This right here^^^.

I understand people being upset with Cotto's approach, but I understand he's calling the shots. It's the same as the Trout fight.

And while there is no advantage gained by being called last, I also think that the last thing you want to do as the fighter moving up is get the bigger fighter (who's the favorite) riled up further. This is only going to give Sergio further motivation to put a hurt on Cotto.

Sergio's winning this fight 114-113, 114-113, 115-112 with Cotto knocking Sergio down at least once.

[ИATAS]

Every fight you think was just for the good of the sport, was a business decision.

The "Fab 4" were not fighting each other for peanuts, they were their biggest money fights available

Some fans like to kid themselves about the 'old days' when Unicorns thrived and fighters "fought for glory".

Sure, Leonard "ducked" Pryor. The big, undefeated puncher going through every bum and old greats.

Tell me, Bringer and Natas, who was fighting for glory and who was fighting for money in De La Hoya vs Hopkins?

Hopkins fought everyone and their mama at 160. He fought every single #1 contender. And if my memory serves me right wasn't Oscar the WBO middleweight title holder when 'Nard fought him? That's right he was. It was Hopkins money fight plus a MW unification bout. This of course was after Hopkins fought numerous mandatories and unified all the other belts at 160.