Showtimes not focusing on profit with Mayweather.

[Kagami Taiga]

...but didn't Showtime average just 700k viewers in their last couple cards?

Last year HBO still dominated the ratings even without the GBP stable.

op 25 cable bouts in 2013
1. Miguel Cotto-Delvin Rodriguez: 1.6 million
HBO, Oct. 5
2. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.-Bryan Vera: 1.4 million
HBO, Sept. 28
3. Gennady Golovkin-Curtis Stevens: 1.4 million
HBO, Nov. 2
4. Adrien Broner-Gavin Rees: 1.4 million
HBO, Feb. 16
5. Adonis Stevenson-Tony Bellew: 1.3. million
HBO, Nov. 30
6. Paul Malignaggi-Adrien Broner: 1.3 million
Showtime, June 22
7. Mikey Garcia-Juan Manuel Lopez: 1.3 million
HBO, June 15
8. Sergey Kovalev-Ismayl Sillakh: 1.3 million
HBO, Nov. 30
9. Timothy Bradley-Ruslan Provodnikov: 1.2 million
HBO, March 16
10. Bernard Hopkins-Tavoris Cloud: 1.2 million
HBO, March 9
11. Andre Ward-Edwin Rodriguez: 1.2 million
HBO, Nov. 16
12. Brandon Rios-Mike Alvarado II: 1.2 million
HBO, March 30
13. Mike Alvarado-Ruslan Provodnikov: 1.2 million
HBO, Oct. 19
14. Adonis Stevenson-Tavoris Cloud: 1.2 million
HBO, Sept. 28
15. Nonito Donaire-Guillermo Rigondeaux: 1.1 million
HBO, April 13
16. Mikey Garcia-Rocky Martinez: 1.1 million
HBO, Nov. 9
17. Bud Crawford-Andrey Klimov: 1.1 million
HBO, Oct. 5
18. Bud Crawford-Alejandro Sanabria: 1.1 million
HBO, June 15
19. Gennady Golovkin-Matthew Macklin: 1.1 million
HBO, June 29
20. Canelo Alvarez-Austin Trout: 1.1 million
Showtime, April 20
21. Nonito Donaire-Vic Darchinyan II: 1.0 million
HBO, Nov. 9
22. Chad Dawson-Adonis Stevenson: 1.0 million
HBO, June 8
23. Bernard Hopkins-Karo Murat: 1.0 million
Showtime, Oct. 26
24. Sakio Bika-Nikola Sjekloca: 1.0 million
HBO, Feb. 16
25. Peter Quillin-Gabriel Rosado: 1.0 million
Showtime, Oct. 26
Source: Nielsen Media Research

hbo dominated the ratings because they have a bigger subscription base. but if u do averages showtimes average viewership was higher. and showtime has also increased their subscription numbers at a higher rate while HBO's was more flat. thats all to say, while your numbers are correct, they are also skewed. showtime made tremendous strides in the last year or so.

[Bee Keepz]

Hopkins was doing 1 mil with HBO, less than 700 K with Showtime.

I mean you have GBP fighters competing for dates in Showtime with less subscribers, where the money is pretty much in the Mayweather pot.

I think GBP messed up, they lost HBO viewership and money.

I don't understand why anyone would want to jump and compete with GBP fighters, when HBO has the money and the viewers.

[Kagami Taiga]

Hopkins was doing 1 mil with HBO, less than 700 K with Showtime.

I mean you have GBP fighters competing for dates in Showtime with less subscribers, where the money is pretty much in the Mayweather pot.

I think GBP messed up, they lost HBO viewership and money.

I don't understand why anyone would want to jump and compete with GBP fighters, when HBO has the money and the viewers.

they are competing for dates? with who??? there is no competing. i think thats the point gbp vs gbp is better gbp vs. top rank, dibella, main events, k2, goosen etc. besides, it was hbo that banished gbp, not the other way around.

[Bee Keepz]

hbo dominated the ratings because they have a bigger subscription base. but if u do averages showtimes average viewership was higher. and showtime has also increased their subscription numbers at a higher rate while HBO's was more flat. thats all to say, while your numbers are correct, they are also skewed. showtime made tremendous strides in the last year or so.

Chavez Jnr and Marquez just did 1.4mil and 1.3mil; while Hopkins and Thurman did less than 700K.

At the end of the day it's the pay of these fighters that going to drive them, and it's the viewers and ratings that's going to pay.

Whether it's HBO or Showtime, they're going to want the same pay.

[Kagami Taiga]

Chavez Jnr and Marquez just did 1.4mil and 1.3mil; while Hopkins and Thurman did less than 700K.

At the end of the day it's the pay of these fighters that going to drive them, and it's the viewers and ratings that's going to pay.

Whether it's HBO or Showtime, they're going to want the same pay.

chavez jr. and marquez have bigger followings than hopkins. none of that is surprising. its really not fair to compare thurman at all honestly. broner regularly pulled over 1 mil on showtime. so did danny garcia. and once again, the numbers for HBO will be higher, because like i said before, they have the higher subscriber ship.

[radioraheem]

U ever heard the saying u gotta spend money to make money. Showtime is trying to expand their Sports empire and through it, their viewer base. They had to know Floyd wasn't gonna average 2mil ppvs every time out. They are not that ******. They did what they did to energize their base, and by all accounts it worked last year. This year still has half way to go, but they did not lose money last year. CBS did not lose money last year. They made gains in viewership, prescription and profit.

Like I was saying in another thread. None of these guys were talking when HBO was paying huge purses annually for BOTH Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather at the same time. People weren't crying about how HBO was going to grow broke by having such a huge budget where most of it is being spent on the two most expensive professional boxers in history. No one was talking about HBO's profit or losses then.

[junior gong]

The idea that Showtime signed Mayweather in the belief that they were going to use him as a loss leader and not someone who would be profitable is possibly the daftest concept I've heard on here.

[Mitchell Kane]

U ever heard the saying u gotta spend money to make money. Showtime is trying to expand their Sports empire and through it, their viewer base. They had to know Floyd wasn't gonna average 2mil ppvs every time out. They are not that ******. They did what they did to energize their base, and by all accounts it worked last year. This year still has half way to go, but they did not lose money last year. CBS did not lose money last year. They made gains in viewership, prescription and profit.

2 million? No.

1 million? Hmm.

[Kagami Taiga]

2 million? No.

1 million? Hmm.

He's averaging over a million ppvs tho. So what's your point.

[IMDAZED]

Yea CBS is, but that first paragraph has little to do with expenses, it is all about income and the acronym OIBDA means income and expenses as there is an I no an E in the acronym.

I don't think ThePrince realizes what he's reading. Higher PPV costs has nothing to do with a loss.