Floyd back on 9/13

[The Raw Dog]

it's a flop if showtime lost money..

This is the biggest lie being told on the internet. CBS earnings grew 7% in the 1st quarter of the year, due to No-Advertising Income. David Nevins just received a promotion in Showtime, and the company is thriving. PPV isn't only about buys, it's about gaining market share, which it has done a tremendous job doing over the last 5 years. Floyd brings monthly subscribers to the network.

[jose.sooto]

I don't want to see a Maidana rematch. Yes he did make it competitive but Floyd Mayweather Jr still won that fight decisively in my opinion.

Shawn Porter is coming of two great W's against Devon Alexander & Paulie Malignaggi. A third great win against someone elite would make him the perfect opponent for Floyd in september. I don't think Porter/Brook is happening btw , wasn't today the last day for an agreement to be made?...

Danny Garcia lost steam with his last performance.

Keith Thurman fights bums , he doesn't deserve this fight yet.

[arraamis]

Yeah, I think they did and it made a couple mill too but there has to be a TON of minute factors that suck revenue off the top to put one of these things on. I mean, how much does the commentating crew alone make for the evening? Buffer? The refs? The ring girls? The venue fee? The lodging and travel costs? The doctor fees? The advertising fees? The myriad of other expenses that come with it? All I know is that 32 million to one source is always going to be the major factor for any one of his fights and I surmise that the magic number is somewhere around 1.1 to 1.3 million to make sufficient profits. Remember the Canelo fight did 2.2 or something. This is enough to cover 1 or 2 flops at under 1 mill but after that, you need another big fight, something over 1.2 to stay in the black.

1.2 = good profits...just guessing.

(2.2 + 800 +900)/3 = 1.3MM avg for all three fights. So right now, Floyd is on the break even line...he needs to do at least that on his next fight to not be a bust overall in Showtime's mind I'd imagine.

That's the thing ... No promoter has really detailed the ratios needed to secure an upside event. I'm guessing its because of all the varied elements that change from event to event.

One thing GBP did that was smart was to kill the promotional expenses pre-fight for Maidana\Floyd. So, that alone probably saved then quite a bit on the front end.

Also, the biggest factor in the Showtime\GBP situation is the huge guarantee's Floyd's receiving and how big a debit that's making in the black-line. And since Showtime isn't in the business of losing money, somehow they must be turning a profit -- the questions remains how big a profit. And the same can be said for GBP .... How big of a profit are they making.

I believe both Maidana and Showtime also, capitalized on royalties generated from overseas sales. So, it would be a stretch to think that these guys are losing money.

[Da Machine]

You guys have to think that this fight has to sell.

Onl 2 maybe 3 fights possible would sell..

1) Maidana Rematch, this is by far most likely
2) Cotto at 160 if he wins, less likely
3) Canelo Rematch, Least likely, to probably not at all.

[The Raw Dog]

That's the thing ... No promoter has really detailed the ratios needed to secure an upside event. I'm guessing its because of all the varied elements that change from event to event.

One thing GBP did that was smart was to kill the promotional expenses pre-fight for Maidana\Floyd. So, that alone probably saved then quite a bit on the front end.

Also, the biggest factor in the Showtime\GBP situation is the huge guarantee's Floyd's receiving and how big a debit that's making in the black-line. And since Showtime isn't in the business of losing money, somehow they must be turning a profit -- the questions remains how big a profit. And the same can be said for GBP .... How big of a profit are they making.

I believe both Maidana and Showtime also, capitalized on royalties generated from overseas sales. So, it would be a stretch to think that these guys are losing money.

Showtimes international licensing content grew by 22% last quarter, so your last statement is right no one is losing money like the Average Joes on this site claim. The boxing takeover was a thought out strategy to increase overall market share. Showtime will gladly shell out a few 100 million to boxing, if it is part of them earning a few Billion in licensing & transmission fees, due to the tremendous viewership growth. Share holders care more about the value of the stock, not so much about the value of a PPV.

[Francis M.]

Floyds ppv is the WaterWorld of movies... For the kids, google it.

[jose.sooto]

You guys have to think that this fight has to sell.

Onl 2 maybe 3 fights possible would sell..

1) Maidana Rematch, this is by far most likely
2) Cotto at 160 if he wins, less likely
3) Canelo Rematch, Least likely, to probably not at all.

I know Oscar "Golden Boy" De La Hoya doesn't have that much power over at his company these days but he said that if both Saul "Canelo" Alvarez & Miguel Cotto win their respective fights he would like to match them up at the end of the year and have the winner face Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr.

[Southpawology]

Hopefully chino will give floyd a rematch

[Outwest Exp 355]

75% x 900,000 x $74.95 = $50,591,250 (HD)
25% x 900,000 x $64.95 = $14,613,750 (SD)
$65,205,000 total from PPV sales alone (just guessing at the split between HD and SD).

Sounds like a lot at first. $32,000,000 goes to Floyd's guarantee, leaving $33,205,000 for all the remaining fighters' purses and overhead. This does not count any of the cuts of the PPV sales either.

That money goes fast. I obviously don't know what all the other costs are but when it is all said and done, I can see Showtime skimming the bottom of the barrel.

Showtimes not on the hook for all of the expenses. Corona and other sponsors put up millions to plaster their products all over the events. Also Floyd's contract is for 6 fights not 3. So you can't say if Showtimes going to loose money until his contract is up.
Besides Showtime is a cable network that shows boxing. They are not a boxing network. They put on like what? 12, 15 events over the duration of the year. They don't need boxing to survive. If they loose money on the deal it's a tax write off. Floyd was brought in to raise the profile of Shobox, which he has done. It's on guys like Canelo, Danny, and Thurman to take Shobox to the next level. Floyds 37 and smart business people don't wage their future on 37 yr old boxers. Even if that 37 yr old fighter is Floyd Mayweather.

[ThePrince]

Gonna be another flop.

Khan is the biggest star of the potential names thrown out, but he's been eliminated because of religious purposes (can't fight in September). So that leaves a Chino rematch, those #s were so bad they'll never release them. Pacquiao's sparring partner, Thurman aka the tomato can assassin. Who else? Danny Garcia?

Even with a new 'most expensive undercard ever', those fights do 800K buys tops. He better call Canelo and beg him to co-feature again.