So Jim Lampley is sure that the Cold War isn't going to end anytime soon.

[arraamis]

Are you on haymons payroll? You go on a rant about ODLH mending his business relationship with arum but you encourage Oscar to make up with haymon who is stealing his fighters with the help of Schaefer?

Its clear that you do not understand the topic you're attempting to debate.

If Haymon has contractual control over 80% of GBP fighters, how in the hell can ODLH mend relationships with Arum, when he doesn't have but a handful of assets?

Simple minds seemingly cannot grasp the concept, that boxer's don't care what banner is raised, as long as they get the best purse for their efforts. And at present guys associated with Haymon are getting the biggest purses.

So, ODLH mends his relationship with Arum ..... So what!!!
GBP has an almost empty stable!!!

ODLH cannot avoid dealing with Haymon ..... period!

Haymon is the one in control of the assets and the boxer's themselves like the job he's doing!!!
Its not the Promoter that is the asset, it is the boxer's themselves. And they are siding with Haymon.

Now, ignorant morons can spew nonsense endlessly on forums -- That's allowed. But at the very least, try to understand what is actually occurring before you reverberate practiced lines and regurgitated phrases trying to demonstrate an understanding that is evidently void of facts.

[al-Xander]

Who cares about the cold war? GBP is overstacked with recognizable names in its roster. But they are rarely pitted against each other. When they do fight, the loser is back fighting a nobody. You'd think that Broner vs Matthysse would have happened, look at who they fought in their last fights.

Provo loses he's back fighting a champ. Alvarado loses, he's back fighting a veteran...

So what's the point of ending the cold war when GBP fighters don't even fight each other?

[Francis M.]

Its clear that you do not understand the topic you're attempting to debate.

If Haymon has contractual control over 80% of GBP fighters, how in the hell can ODLH mend relationships with Arum, when he doesn't have but a handful of assets?

Simple minds seemingly cannot grasp the concept, that boxer's don't care what banner is raised, as long as they get the best purse for their efforts. And at present guys associated with Haymon are getting the biggest purses.

So, ODLH mends his relationship with Arum ..... So what!!!
GBP has an almost empty stable!!!

ODLH cannot avoid dealing with Haymon ..... period!

Haymon is the one in control of the assets and the boxer's themselves like the job he's doing!!!
Its not the Promoter that is the asset, it is the boxer's themselves. And they are siding with Haymon.

Now, ignorant morons can spew nonsense endlessly on forums -- That's allowed. But at the very least, try to understand what is actually occurring before you reverberate practiced lines and regurgitated phrases trying to demonstrate an understanding that is evidently void of facts.

There you go.... Dealing with haymon is GBP mistake in the first place. Have you heard of cutting losses... Haymon will need to define his role soon enough by law if GBP stops promoting haymons fighters.

[Joey_Torreo]

Here's a question, which makes me pause at Arum's sincerity\motives ....

Why is ODLH doing all the footwork, while Arum is sitting at home, acting like the Godfather?

IMHO: Arum, is as untrustworthy as a promoter can get and he always has his best interest in the forefront. ODLH better be very careful when dealing with that snake. At the same time, ODLH better nail down where he stands with Haymon -- Who incidentally is at serious odds with Arum.

Its going to take a collective effort to patch up the mess that is boxing. ODLH & Arum doing the dance with each other, may not be enough.

I was thinking the same thing as I was driving today. Arum has had no problem keeping it in house, why change now. The only thing I can think of is that arum knows that he has a very slim roster right now but he also knows that oscar pretty much has nothing without al Haymon. I know arum has something up his sleeve but what. I just feel bad for oscar. Guys here trash him a lot but at least he's trying to make fight happens and currently he's stuck between two evil bastards.

[arraamis]

There you go.... Dealing with haymon is GBP mistake in the first place. Have you heard of cutting losses... Haymon will need to define his role soon enough by law if GBP stops promoting haymons fighters.

Look at the names associated with Haymon .... GBP will need to start pretty much from scratch, because all their money-makers are siding with Haymon and are contracted to Haymon. Adding insult to injury, any future GBP prospects will want to join up with Haymon as well, because his guys are getting paid.

So, let's say GBP (ODLH) severs ties to Haymon (cutting off the nose to spite the face), Shaeffer\Haymon go for it and form their own Promotional entity -- Now what, the war has added another party which is more powerful than the others (GBP & TR) combined.

This is a freakin mess!!! That's why I stated that ODLH, better be very careful how he proceeds and how he handles his so-called reconciliation with Arum. Because Arum hates Haymon, and likewise Haymon doesn't care if Arum lives or dies.

[Chiboxing123]

Here's a question, which makes me pause at Arum's sincerity\motives ....

Why is ODLH doing all the footwork, while Arum is sitting at home, acting like the Godfather?

IMHO: Arum, is as untrustworthy as a promoter can get and he always has his best interest in the forefront. ODLH better be very careful when dealing with that snake. At the same time, ODLH better nail down where he stands with Haymon -- Who incidentally is at serious odds with Arum.

Its going to take a collective effort to patch up the mess that is boxing. ODLH & Arum doing the dance with each other, may not be enough.

What Haymon and Richard have done to odlh is worse than anything arums ever done to him.

[deanrw]

It is not just a promotional houses dug into their trenches. They are only the initial cause of the problem. We also have the Networks dug in, and they don't have a reason to reverse their stances.

Take a look at the recent GGG vs Quillin talks. GGG's people sent in an offer to Golden Boy, but golden boy countered with a bidding process to see where the fight gets aired. I guarantee you HBO and Showtime will balk at such a thing. They will both stick to their ground. We are unfortunately stuck with fighters who are destined to not only promotional barriers, but also glued to network branding.

[IMDAZED]

What Haymon and Richard have done to odlh is worse than anything arums ever done to him.

Just stop posting.

[SthPaw]

He does have a point, but who knows, in time I feel it will be sorted out but for right now I dont think so

[mourinho1]

Who cares about the cold war? GBP is overstacked with recognizable names in its roster. But they are rarely pitted against each other. When they do fight, the loser is back fighting a nobody. You'd think that Broner vs Matthysse would have happened, look at who they fought in their last fights.

Provo loses he's back fighting a champ. Alvarado loses, he's back fighting a veteran...

So what's the point of ending the cold war when GBP fighters don't even fight each other?

I havent seen proof of this. Who says GBP fighters in general dont fight each other?? Broner was just getting to 140 after losing a fight and they are trying to build him up again. There is nothing wrong with that. give the dude some time to work on his boxing again and bounce back.

Some fighters are high risk low reward and peeps try to avoid them as long as possible thats true, im thinking of PROVO at HBO and Thurman at showtime.