This is the Only SMOKING GUN I need When it comes to Marquez

[dan_cov]

Why not show the third picture in the same pose as the first two?

Oh yea, because it would make you look silly.

No I just didn't stop and think I must find one with the same pose to suit your agenda. What next gonna gripe about the lighting or something?



So what am I supposed to be looking silly over? Does he suddenly look twenty times different because he is posing with his arms in the air as opposed to down by his side?

[soul_survivor]

its like a homeless man hiring a master bank robber and everybody knowing it then a bank gets robbed and a homeless man is now living in a mansion with a Ferrari.

that's basically marquez vs pacquiao in the 4th fight.

LOOL best analogy of the fight yet

[TintaBoricua]

lmao c'mon............marquez hires a known shady expert steroid chemist, and all of a sudden in his late 30s he looks more ripped at welterweight whereas before he looked less defined and softer, and he knocks down and then kos unconscious a guy who he struggled to even knockdown (in two fights) back when he was absolute prime................

i'm sorry but he isn't suspect as the next guy...he is one of the most if not THE MOST suspect guy out there........

not to mention the photos of grotesque bulging veins, steroid gut, and now steroid acne.........lmao c'mon it's right in ur face and u still think he is just one of the other guys.......

Pacquiao ran straight into a right hand. Pacquiao...hands down...full speed...got clocked...with a right hand...thrown with full body weight...and it was a counter. Heck, let's even throw the fact that his feet got tangled up with Marquez's so he was basically off-balance as well. Steroids? No, right hand.

Am I saying Márquez isn't doping? No. He may or may not be. What I roll my eyes at is when people say that steroids are what make or break a fight. As in, it's an automatic fight winner. It's the equivalent of youtube posters who watch fighting game vids online saying how "X" fighter is top tier and believe that you essentially automatically win by picking them. That's not a hard fast truth. Take Marvel vs. Capcom 2, alright? The game boasts one of the biggest fighting rosters in any fighting game, and with it, comes balance issues. With so many characters in there copied and pasted from other games and just jammed in there, it's going to make for an odd game where characters don't necessarily mesh. So within time, people start figuring out that some characters naturally have more tools than others. Sentinel can take more damage, hit much harder, normal moves that do chip damage, and while initially thought to be slow, was discovered that he can be fairly agile when using fly/unfly move. Cable, on the other hand, is at keeping opponents at bay and though he doesn't build much meter, when used properly, he can punish opponents at a moment's notice with an off the ground hyper combo that does major damage, comes out instantly, and recovers instantly should it miss.

Of course, this doesn't mean anything to youtube know-it-alls because they assume that, by picking these characters, they can do all these little nuances that take serious practice to be able to do consistently and on reaction. The flawed way of thinking is that the characters are so good on their own, that you win the match automatically by picking them.

It's the same with PEDS. I'm not defending them, but I think a lot of people overestimate what they do and how they believe that PEDS make or break a fight. If anything, they affect certain aspects of a fighter but not entirely. I don't see how PEDS would allow someone punch harder. They'd give you more stamina, though. In essence, they'd probably benefit a volume puncher, but not so much a slow-paced slugger. It doesn't exactly increase your defensive abilities or your ability to take punches to the body/head.

Again, I AM against PEDS, but there's great exaggerations when people had their fighter lose and state that the #1 reason why they lost was: PEDS. It doesn't work like that. Pacquiao ran into a right hand. Anybody would've gotten knocked out in his shoes. It was the equivalent of running around the yard as a kid and then Uncle Schmuck deciding to drop kick you while you're looking the other way as you're running. T...K...O.

[Pacquiao'd]

Where is the acne?

When Jean-Pascal asked Hopkins to take PEDs testing, didn't Hopkins refuse and stormed out of the press-conference?

Juiceman refused also, dumbass

[ShoulderRoll]

Marquez said before the fourth fight that he would take any tests they wanted. As long as Manny took them too.

For some reason Team Pacquiao never took him up on the offer.

[DeadLikeMe]

18 months later and the butthurt is aging like fine whine.

[luisivich]

Manny is squeaky clean because he "never tested positive", but JMM is a roids cheat because he "hired Memo Heredia".

Never mind the facts that:

- Manny turned down OST in 2009 and missed out on a career high payday as a result. And his excuses were weaker than weak.

- his head appears to have grown significantly since his FW days.

- even Roach admitted he "didn't know what Ariza was giving Manny". And remember what happened to Brandon Rios?

None of this matters. Manny is clean and JMM is juicing. Period.

manny did not turned down ost. floyd wanted 2 weeks cut off, manny wanted 4. nobody thought of 3 not until they both walk away from the negotiation. floyd and manny equally at fault. there is a big difference in totally avoiding random blood test and wanting a cut off.

manny's head is big when he is at flyweight and still selling sampaguita.

roach has said that after rios got banned from china from a drug when has been legal a few weeks ago. and roach hate ariza. he'll say anything to discredit ariza.

marquez was never tested for any peds so he is probably clean.
he drink urine, he inhale pure oxygen. the guy would do anything to gain strength- he might be doing some herbal plant or some mexican alternative medicine. steroid is easily detectible- its from something else.

[MBE]

Why are yall making it so complicated?

He hired Memo Heredia.

That's all you need to know.

Forget about the fact that he started knocking down Pacquiao at his latest age at a higher weight when he never even came close to doing it in his prime.

Forget about the fact that his body at his latest age looked better than his body during his prime.

Forget the fact that he has acne on his chest lmfaaoooo....







He hired Memo Heredia.

That's all you need to know.

Tbf what I struggle to see in guys like ariza and this fat blob Heredia is how come they are so knowledgeable about nutrition and exercise.

I mean look at the guy! Hes a fat slob! He's hardly living by what he preaches if it's ONLY hard work in the gym.

[DeadLikeMe]

manny did not turned down ost. floyd wanted 2 weeks cut off, manny wanted 4. nobody thought of 3 not until they both walk away from the negotiation. floyd and manny equally at fault. there is a big difference in totally avoiding random blood test and wanting a cut off.

manny's head is big when he is at flyweight and still selling sampaguita.

roach has said that after rios got banned from china from a drug when has been legal a few weeks ago. and roach hate ariza. he'll say anything to discredit ariza.

marquez was never tested for any peds so he is probably clean.
he drink urine, he inhale pure oxygen. the guy would do anything to gain strength- he might be doing some herbal plant or some mexican alternative medicine. steroid is easily detectible- its from something else.

Ok so if Marquez says he doesn't want to be tested at all the month before a fifth Pac fight you're fine with that? What if he demands a 6 or 8 week cutoff. If Pac refuses it makes Pacquiao a duck.

[luisivich]

Ok so if Marquez says he doesn't want to be tested at all the month before a fifth Pac fight you're fine with that?

3 weeks cut off would be okay.