I'm tired of the "Marquez was taking a beating"...

[Holywarrior]

This is what I'm talking about, when did ignore anything?

Seriously, there are some fights you can't talk about around here and this is one of them. No one wants to actually discuss it, either Pac was dominating and Marquez got lucky or Pac is **** and Marquez was never in trouble. No in between.

Pac had a good round. Hardly "beating" him up. People use that term too loosely.

[richardt]

Seriously, there are some fights you can't talk about around here and this is one of them. No one wants to actually discuss it, either Pac was dominating and Marquez got lucky or Pac is **** and Marquez was never in trouble. No in between.

Exactly! Both sides want to discredit the other by belittling the efforts by both fighters or outcome of the fight or other insinuations - and agendas aimed at protecting one side don't allow for the entire picture to be looked at.

[ADP02]

I see what you're trying to do, but it won't work. Let me tell you why. Because there was in fact a 3rd fight. And guess what? Pacman was not able to hurt Marquez in that fight. And he did hurt him in the 4th. So trying to imply that Marquez was juiced for the 4th, will not work.

Heredia was already working with Marquez in preparation for fight #3 but more importantly is that Fight #3 and fight #4 were different.

[Ray Corso]

All the credit for the win goes to Juan! However how it happened had more to do with Manny making mistakes and Juan capitalizing more than Juan setting anything up!
Watch it and you'll see Juan shook up pretty good going to his corner then Manny in the nezt round going to a "double feint" then falling inside. When Juan reacted their right shoulders were almost touching and Juan was actually late with the punch but it wound up being "extra short" hahaha!!!
Juan deserves the win no doubt about that but to be honest if Manny doesn't faultier with amateurish aggression he would have stopped Juan.
That's boxing and that night the best man won. Their match ups were terrific.
So much better than Mayweather or Ward or anyone since a primed Mosely.
Ray.

[Bushbaby]

Heredia was already working with Marquez in preparation for fight #3 but more importantly is that Fight #3 and fight #4 were different.

I guess this had nothing to do with the fight being at welterweight and Marquez adjusting to the weight??

I do have a question though. Surely this same logic applies to Pacman storming through solid welterweights with devastating results? until Floyd claimed peds. I mean the exact same thing applies, correct?

[ADP02]

I guess this had nothing to do with the fight being at welterweight and Marquez adjusting to the weight??

I do have a question though. Surely this same logic applies to Pacman storming through solid welterweights with devastating results? until Floyd claimed peds. I mean the exact same thing applies, correct?

Manny has natural abilities that can take him to the WW and do what he does. Manny has power but it's really his speed that does the trick. You look at the Oscar fight, Cotto fight, Hatton fight, even the Bradley fight ..... Manny's punches come from all angles and come quicker than the opponents.
Power generated by speed in Manny's case .... but that is Manny. He did that even at the lower weights.

Cotto said "he was too fast" ... he didn't say he was too powerful .....

Like I said in the previous post, Manny has yet to KO anyone like Marquez did ..... he beat Oscar with 1000 punches .... and beat Cotto with lightning speedy hands .... then Floyd said it must be the PEDs


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[Beercules]

For the record TS I posted a picture of Juan's nose after ktfo6 to a REGISTERED nurse and she said that s*it was broken.

Errrrrr he didn't take a beating doe

[solo20]

For the record TS I posted a picture of Juan's nose after ktfo6 to a REGISTERED nurse and she said that s*it was broken.

Errrrrr he didn't take a beating doe

FACT on espn they ask JMM did Pac break your nose he SAID NO IT WAS JUST A NOSE BLEED THAT NACHO DIDNT GET TO IN TIME TO STOP WHICH MIGHT HAVE LEAD TO PAC THINKING HE HAD JMM IN BIG TROUBLE

[ManOfVictory]

most of the pilipinos think that...even after Marquez knocked him down earlier on the fight.
He was worst on the firs fight and we know what happened there.

[Beercules]

FACT on espn they ask JMM did Pac break your nose he SAID NO IT WAS JUST A NOSE BLEED THAT NACHO DIDNT GET TO IN TIME TO STOP WHICH MIGHT HAVE LEAD TO PAC THINKING HE HAD JMM IN BIG TROUBLE

His nose was broken you ****ing idiot the bridge of his nose was obviously broken.